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Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by goldenkey »

gdhkgdhkvff wrote: post #107
lrvick wrote: post #28

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Should we teach kids to use TikTok and Facebook so they will be better prepared to help with future office marketing tasks too? This line of thinking is poison and will only amplify the monopolisic power of whatever select companies make the taught-in-schools list. Proprietary technology has no place in educational institutions.

1. If basically all office jobs dealt with online marketing, then yes, we should teach facebook and TikTok in school. But almost no office jobs are related to marketing and so no we shouldn’t teach those tools. It’s an apples and oranges comparison. 2. Schools shouldn’t be trying to be in charge of shaping corporations. That isn’t and shouldn’t be a goal of teaching children. 3. That’s an arbitrary opinion you have.…

Pretty much all marketing jobs involve those social networks. The office job you once knew, no longer exists. Hell, the office doesn't even exist, everything is going remote.

In a marketing class, you absolutely would have to involve social media, otherwise your class would be outdated bunk. Traditional advertising doesn't work on new generation platforms. And billboards, TV ads, and magazine ads are expensive, inefficient, poorly targeted advertising, for all but the wealthiest behemoths of companies.

The same methods behind TV ads don't translate to social media ads. Social media ads aren't just trimmed down traditional ads.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by sofixa »

keewee7 wrote: post #100
sofixa wrote: post #67

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But there are, there's even a site categorising them: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers

But they didn't just ban GMail. The banned the entire Google Docs/Workspace portfolio.

There alternatives to the Google Docs part too, like Collabora.

It will probably require some work and won't be as polished, but there are totally ways have all of that within the EU.

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Post by goto11 »

whyagain1885 wrote: post #89

Sadly, too often data protection authorities just ban stuff before providing viable alternatives? I do understand there are issues with privacy shield or gpdr. For all those people suggesting OSS alternatives, it is difficult. Finding talent (yes, the govt jobs do not pay like private) to install, run, maintain suite of office-based is close to impossible. They tried at our school - as the board tried to ban Teams wh…

It is not the job of the data protection agency to provide alternatives. That would lead to serious conflicts of interest.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by spookie »

msh wrote: post #58

Its not true. I only have a correct source in danish: https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/et-centralt-vaerktoej-for-... But only one local county have been forbidden from processing personal data on school chromebooks as they did not do any analysis of the consequences.

If it isn't, it should be. School is obligatory, we really shouldn't employ commercial products in schools to begin with. In Portugal, some years ago, kids were given computers with a Linux distro pre-installed for *free*, and LibreOffice was used as a word processor replacement. Argentina did the same thing, hell there were others too.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by JTbane »

lrvick wrote: post #20
wiz21c wrote: post #2

Now let's ban MSFT Office365 too. It's of zero use to teach whatever to the kids.

Schools have no place supporting or teaching proprietary software in the first place. They should teach concepts using publicly available software and sponsor students who wish to patch bugs that impact school operations.

Honestly it would be amazing if schools started using Ubuntu or some other flavor of Linux for students, but the MS monopoly is entrenched.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by dusted »

yunohn wrote: post #127
tluyben2 wrote: post #54

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If you had learned OpenOffice calc or write, would that have made much of a difference? Takes a few hours to move 80% from one to the other. Maybe if very specific functions it may take a few minutes more.

Would you prefer we mandate Vim or EMacs for kids? Both are free, so it’s a deliberate choice to be made. And how do you suggest we support this decision and their potential inability to use an IDE in the real world?

I guess I'm not working in the real world, because I get to use whatever I want as long as I deliver... And so I use VIM.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by goldenkey »

shapefrog wrote: post #112
dmos62 wrote: post #73

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Teach them LibreOffice. Or better yet, teach them how to learn themselves.

Teach them to read. Or better yet, teach them how to learn themselves. Pretty sure this is how we wound up where we are.

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Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by goldenkey »

hulitu wrote: post #140
yunohn wrote: post #127

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Would you prefer we mandate Vim or EMacs for kids? Both are free, so it’s a deliberate choice to be made. And how do you suggest we support this decision and their potential inability to use an IDE in the real world?

I think ed is more user friendly.

Just give the rugrats nano and call it a day.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by msh »

spookie wrote: post #144
msh wrote: post #58

Its not true. I only have a correct source in danish: https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/et-centralt-vaerktoej-for-... But only one local county have been forbidden from processing personal data on school chromebooks as they did not do any analysis of the consequences.

If it isn't, it should be. School is obligatory, we really shouldn't employ commercial products in schools to begin with. In Portugal, some years ago, kids were given computers with a Linux distro pre-installed for *free*, and LibreOffice was used as a word processor replacement. Argentina did the same thing, hell there were others too.

So no books then? Most of them are published commercially.
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