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Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Translation issue. In German, the expression "... und Co" is a synonym for et cetera.

Except the language spoken in Denmark is Danish, not German.

The author of this article is German. Really if you've read a lot of German news, the "and Co" is a huge tell.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #42

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No, you only need Facebook and TikTok in very few office jobs (and there probably other interfaces than users typically use). Excel is present in pretty much all office jobs. Maybe not all programmer jobs, but apart from some backend coders I haven't seen many people who never had to work with Word or Excel.

Teach them LibreOffice. Or better yet, teach them how to learn themselves.

Teach them to read. Or better yet, teach them how to learn themselves.

Pretty sure this is how we wound up where we are.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #58

Its not true. I only have a correct source in danish: https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/et-centralt-vaerktoej-for-... But only one local county have been forbidden from processing personal data on school chromebooks as they did not do any analysis of the consequences.

Google has a blog post that says the same thing: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/identity-security/goo...

Excerpt of summary paragraph for the lazy:

> Recently, Datatilsynet (the Danish Data Protection Authority) issued a ruling emphasizing the importance of conducting proper due diligence before implementing cloud services. We agree due diligence is an important step for customers since privacy assessments and outcomes can vary significantly based on the way customers have configured their system. Although this ruling is limited to Helsingør Municipality, it may be of interest to other Danish controllers. To be clear, the ruling does not apply to Google directly or to other customers, nor does it prohibit use of Google Workspace for Education or Chromebooks in Denmark.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #58

Its not true. I only have a correct source in danish: https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/et-centralt-vaerktoej-for-... But only one local county have been forbidden from processing personal data on school chromebooks as they did not do any analysis of the consequences.

The ruling is "the first in a series of cases regarding the use of Chromebooks and the G-suite for education". So likely this is just the beginning.

There have been two rulings regarding this particular municipality. First, they were investigated due to a data breach (personally-identifiable information was shared between G-suite and Youtube). This breach lead Datatilsynet (the Danish Data Protection Agency) to investigate the municipality and conclude they hadn't done their due diligence in investigating privacy implication of the setup.

This forced the municipality to perform a through investigation of the privacy issues. Their findings in turn lead Datatilsynet to ban further use of G-suite an Chromebooks (in the municipality) because they found more serious issues, for example they couldn't guarantee private information was not shared with unsafe countries.

The choice of software and hardware is decided by each municipality, so there will be no nationwide ban as such. But underlying privacy problems will be the same for other municipalities which use the same software.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #114
post #58

Its not true. I only have a correct source in danish: https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/et-centralt-vaerktoej-for-... But only one local county have been forbidden from processing personal data on school chromebooks as they did not do any analysis of the consequences.

The ruling is "the first in a series of cases regarding the use of Chromebooks and the G-suite for education". So likely this is just the beginning. There have been two rulings regarding this particular municipality. First, they were investigated due to a data breach (personally-identifiable information was shared between G-suite and Youtube). This breach lead Datatilsynet (the Danish Data Protection Agency) to inves…

But that was due to misconfiguration. For example the kids could access and comment on youtube videos with their school accounts and when it did that the comments was posted with their full name and school/class name.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Now let's ban MSFT Office365 too. It's of zero use to teach whatever to the kids.

I'd have to disagree here. Teaching kids how to use Word and Excel will help them for the majority of office jobs out there.

It will also ensure that competitors in that space have a hard time, because people are now conditioned to use these exact products instead of alternatives. Nothing is harder to break than habits.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Schools have no place supporting or teaching proprietary software in the first place. They should teach concepts using publicly available software and sponsor students who wish to patch bugs that impact school operations.

Should need to teach how to think. Part of that means the ability to adopt to whatever tool. Thus schools should require students to use each of 4 different office system. O365 is only one of them, and LibreOffice is an obvious section choice (I'm have no idea what the others might be). tools come and go, but the concepts you are using the tools for stick around. I wasted a lot of time learning WordPerfect F-keys bac…

> Should need to teach how to think.

The goal of school is not to derail kids’ education by making them wrestle with self hosted sys admin nuances and failures.

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