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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by SZJX »

TameAntelope wrote: post #345

> Here’s the thing: I’m a stinker. Even at my jolliest, if someone figuratively shoulder-checks me, I’m probably going to make so many mountains out of this molehill that I will adjust the topography of the United States significantly. I’m sorry, but this is your real problem, not Twitter banning you. This is called “pride” and is historically recognized as one of the largest “problem creators” as far as emotions go.…

I don’t see the “clear path” here. As many others explained, deleting the video would both be wrong and potentially problematic.

I find it really funny so many people are up in arms against this perceived “verbal abuse” and giving the author a lot of flake for this one single word. The “you” he filled out in the appeal form clearly refers to Twitter as a platform. Maybe it would be clearer if English actually distinguished between the plural form and the singular form of “you”, like in various other languages? Perceiving this as a personal insult is exactly a “pride” issue of the Twitter employee and some of the commentators here, not the author, who IMHO acted perfectly reasonably.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by SZJX »

aendruk wrote: post #206
bryan0 wrote: post #193

> You cannot possibly be this dense. Who is the dense one here? You just insulted a person who has to look at a million of these, and had absolutely nothing to do with the misclassification, and then you’re surprised when they rejected your appeal. Remember there are actual people reading your words (at least for now)

“You” is Twitter

Exactly. I can’t believe so many commentators here (and maybe the employee who reviewed the request, maybe not) missed this simple point and turn the heat on the author instead. A shame that English doesn’t distinguish between the singular and plural forms of “you” I guess?

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by lapcat »

fuckstick wrote: post #523
lapcat wrote: post #489

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> Clearly at least one person in this thread did not know it, so there's no harm in telling people about it. Heh, no. I am the person who started this thread, and the only other person in this thread other than those defending unsolicited advice. I'm well aware of the possibility of separating personal and work accounts, as is almost every intelligent person. Whether they actually choose to do so or not depends on a…

>> Clearly at least one person in this thread did not know it, so there's no harm in telling people about it. > Heh, no. I am the person who started this thread, and the only other person in this thread other than those defending unsolicited advice. Heh, yes. Ironic given the original topic was in part criticizing human mod decisions. And I never ever thought after decades on public Internet forums that unsolicited a…

> And I never ever thought after decades on public Internet forums that unsolicited advice was somehow disallowed or even generally frowned upon.

Well, I'm glad that I've finally got you thinking about it now. It's important to recognize that many people do resent unsolicited advice, especially when it's obvious, condescending, and implies criticism of the person's choices, which is this case here.

I talked about a tweet of mine that was mistakenly flagged by Twitter, and how I had to give Twitter my phone # to unsuspend my account. One replier said "This is why you do not use a work/professional account for things other than work" and another replier said "That is why you have separate business phone numbers and addresses". How can these direct replies to me not be interpreted as personal criticism of me and my choices? The implication is that I made a mistake and wasn't following "best practice".

I actually have no regrets, either about writing the tweet or about not having a separate business phone number, and I continue to have no intention to set up a separate business phone #, address, etc., because that would a hassle for me with little or no benefit.

But again, this is not some secret, obscure thing that people need to be told. Of course people running a business are aware of the possibility of separating the business from the personal.

Not to mention, it's kind of hilarious to suggest Google Voice as a solution to one's privacy problems, as if adding Google into the mix isn't a privacy problem in itself. Google is the world's largest personal data collection agency.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by atemerev »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #521
atemerev wrote: post #130

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There is an equilibrium point beyond which mass protests and regulations pressure start. Every company is iterating and optimizing to find this equilibrium point, and then stays slightly behind it.

I happen to think today's social media companies are well past the equilibrium point.

Well, I don't see mass protests against Google and Facebook yet, so perhaps they are not.

(I do see mass protests against Uber though).

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by wlonkly »

Firmwarrior wrote: post #377
cgriswald wrote: post #371

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This guy is upset that the free service he uses employs imperfect AI and it affected him personally. I agree we shouldn't be using AI for everything and we might even include humans after an AI makes a call just to verify the call. However, that has a cost and this guy isn't paying. I'd guess this guy wouldn't pay, because having to deal with occasional AI errors is part of the cost and he clearly doesn't want to pay…

I don't have a Twitter account and I never will at this rate, since all I ever hear about Twitter is what a shithole it is. Twitter isn't showing me ads and I'm not posting things that could draw more users to Twitter to see more ads. That seems like a real cost to me

There's some selection bias there, though. "I had a nice conversation with some distant friends and discovered an interesting person" isn't newsworthy.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by pvg »

thiht wrote: post #529
pvg wrote: post #499

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It is a gigantic stretch, yes. If twitter thinks you posted 'confirmed revenge porn' they'd ban your account (as stated in their policy on the subject) and probably report you to law enforcement. If that happened over a cat game video then yes, that would be bad, disturbing, scary, you name it. That's a 100% not what happened, though, and turning it into some narrative about implacable machines grinding down our inal…

So why don’t they unban him without the need to delete the tweet?

I don't know, they're fucked up and have fucked up? But that's the whole point, twitter fucking up is not an accusation of a crime. It's twitter fucking up.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by uncletaco »

paul_f wrote: post #312
uncletaco wrote: post #255

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> A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Growing up in Birmingham, AL I had a couple teachers who had dog bites and remembered the hoses from when they tried to shout out whatever they wanted in public squares. It's always interesting how people have such a rosy view o…

You are perpetuating a myth. Malcom Gladwell researched and presented this in his Podcast episode - The Foot Soldier of Birmingham. https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/the-foot...

None of my teachers were Walter Gadsden and noine claimed to be the boy depicted in the statue.

The fact that you took the story of a photo and extrapolated it out to mean that anyone who said they were attacked by dogs is a fraud and are perpetuating a myth says a lot about you.

Also next time link a transcript to the episode than the actual episode when you want to use audio to prove you don't know what you're talking about.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by safety1st »

sgjohnson wrote: post #385
safety1st wrote: post #293

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Right, but their stated reason for instituting the policy in the first place was that they couldn't ignore Serbian laws if their websites were available to be viewed in Serbia.

> they couldn't ignore Serbian laws if their websites were available to be viewed in Serbia. With no presence in Serbia, they absolutely can. Serbia has got virtually no recourse in such a situation. What are they going to do? Sue then in Serbia? They’ll never show up. Then trying to enforce the jugdement overseas will be a monumental (and also completely pointless) exercise. Try suing someone in, say, the United Sta…

Absolutely, I agree with you. The only party who disagrees is Fanbyte in their official statements about why they pulled out.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by feymese »

oh, looks like this site (fanbyte) bans people by their geolocation. ironic.

(this is Türkiye at my case.)

> We've discontinued servicing users from your location and are thereby preventing access to any of the websites owned and operated by ZAM Network, LLC DBA Fanbyte (the owner of Fanbyte.com):

This decision is ultimately one we were forced to make due to the number of visitors from your region when compared to the operational costs necessary to continue providing access there. It was a tough decision but one that we ultimately had to accept. This is an indefinite decision. We genuinely apologize for the inconvenience this will cause all of those who reside within your region.

Note: This is not related to Russia/Ukraine or any other political/military actions around the world.

If you need to reach out to us, please use our support portal.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by didibus »

eckesicle wrote: post #515
didibus wrote: post #364

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If we go one step back, bars, clubs, pubs, discos, and churches/worship places were where a majority of people spent their socializing time in prior to social media platforms. Those places would routinely throw people out and all had bouncers and sometimes gatekeepers for entry and all that. There are certain specific patterns that we did regulate, like the tradition where certain gender or race weren't allowed in th…

Your comparison falls short though, because there's not really a historical equivalent we can compare to. Being banned from social media is not like being thrown out of a pub by a bouncer. It's like being thrown out of every pub, nightclub, and church by the bouncer. If I may take an example from my own life: if I were to be banned from WhatsApp, I would not be able to * take part in my son's school group and social…

I understand the impact difference could be argued, but some places the local community center or pub would also be the home to most of those. And similarly, it depends on the choice each of these groups make, like to all be on Whatsapp, some could be on Telegram, on Hangouts, on Facebook, etc. Nevertheless, I think you're right, scale is different and maybe that needs different rules because of that.

Though, scale might also be why people can complain so much about it. I know people who have been shunned by their church, and the impact on their life from that is major. But if there's only a handful, they can't be a big voice to complain about it. On Facebook, everyone banned can bend together to complain about and create a counter balance.

Now false positive I think is an even bigger argument. It's probably a lot more rare for a local pub or community center to wrongly kick you out. It can happen, but I'd say there's less chance, and you might get an easier time comming back or appealing.

Something else I'm curious is how come this has so much impact on you, but so little on me? If I get banned from Whatsapp I'm just inconviened, but I can still call or text those people, mail/email them, show up to their physical locations in person, etc.

I think the "couldn't be able to live without it" sounds a bit exaggerated to me, but maybe some places are way more dependent on Whatsapp then I realize with no alternative way to reach anyone?

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