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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by 83457 »

lapcat wrote: post #461
novok wrote: post #453

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Or anything else for that matter, such as government forms, bank accounts, etc. The phone number doesn't have to be attached to a real device, it could be google voice or whatever else and you could expense it like a proper business expense, etc. In general it's a good idea to keep your business and personal accounts as seperate as possible. It's similar to the reason why you have separate business bank accounts, ema…

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What are you going on about? He gave perfectly reasonable advice that many consider a best practice. Hacker News is not the place to act personally attacked and offended over such simple shit.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by actually_a_dog »

jjulius wrote: post #480
actually_a_dog wrote: post #473

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Anyone who's been awake for the past 5 years knows how shitty and unethical a company Facebook is. If they'd been there since the beginning, they could have figured out how lets's say "flexible" Zuckerberg's ethics were. And there are plenty of companies that are ethically benign, if not doing real good in the world. To suggest that people should act ethically, even when money is involved, is not classist. And, if yo…

Yet still not a single attempt to understand OP's perspective, actions there, time there, or reason for departure. Just an insistence on an immediate straight shot to, "Nope, they have dues that must be repaid no matter what". Got it. Edit: And again, I must emphasize nuance. People talented enough to work at a FAANG absolutely can have significant financial issues, outstanding debts, etc. that may make them prioriti…

Not going to answer my direct questions to you, either, huh?

Got it.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by jjulius »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #482
jjulius wrote: post #480

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Yet still not a single attempt to understand OP's perspective, actions there, time there, or reason for departure. Just an insistence on an immediate straight shot to, "Nope, they have dues that must be repaid no matter what". Got it. Edit: And again, I must emphasize nuance. People talented enough to work at a FAANG absolutely can have significant financial issues, outstanding debts, etc. that may make them prioriti…

Not going to answer my direct questions to you, either, huh? Got it.

>Not going to answer my direct questions to you, either, huh?

... it was a single question, and you edited it in as I was responding.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by actually_a_dog »

jjulius wrote: post #483
actually_a_dog wrote: post #482

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Not going to answer my direct questions to you, either, huh? Got it.

>Not going to answer my direct question s to you, either, huh? ... it was a single question, and you edited it in as I was responding.

You've seen it now, and I asked you to "consider" something as well.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by Arnavion »

lapcat wrote: post #475
majormajor wrote: post #471

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You're looking at HN as a conversation where someone is giving "you" unsolicited advice that you are taking as criticism instead of as a open forum where that comment is also generally useful to all the lurkers out there.

> that comment is also generally useful to all the lurkers out there. Is it though?

Yes it is.

Ten years ago my employer asked me to make a GitHub account to contribute to the employer's open-source software on GitHub. I could've used my personal account, and plenty other employees did, but I figured it might be bad to give my employer control over it so I didn't.

Today the employer has tightened control to the GH accounts - they must now SSO to the company portal, which requires doing it from a company-enrolled machine running an attested OS and browser. It's perfectly reasonable for the company to have done this, but I would've been devastated if this had happened to my personal account.

Separating work accounts from personal accounts is always a good idea. Clearly at least one person in this thread did not know it, so there's no harm in telling people about it.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by cgriswald »

LightHugger wrote: post #389
cgriswald wrote: post #371

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This guy is upset that the free service he uses employs imperfect AI and it affected him personally. I agree we shouldn't be using AI for everything and we might even include humans after an AI makes a call just to verify the call. However, that has a cost and this guy isn't paying. I'd guess this guy wouldn't pay, because having to deal with occasional AI errors is part of the cost and he clearly doesn't want to pay…

I always find it funny when people get up in arms about "verbal abuse" and somehow don't care about the abuse inherent in the situation. Somehow the perpetuation of the abuse is justified by someone having an imperfect response, dear god. But i suppose you view him as an uppity supplicant who offended the king. Therefore he's a jerk and deserves it, according to you? This is not a view of things that actually solves…

You seem really hung up on only one side being right or wrong. He was in the right. He then did something wrong. That doesn't justify what Twitter did, but it doesn't ingratiate me to his side either.

Yes, I generally treat people with politeness and consider it a mistake when I let my emotions get the better of me. Perhaps not surprisingly, I've usually only had good experiences with most businesses when there have been mistakes, even mistakes I felt were egregious and should not have happened. That's not always the case, but in those cases that's the last business they usually get from me.

When I say this guy is a supplicant, it's because he has no leverage to get what he wants. It's obvious Twitter doesn't care about him. The other stories in these threads make it obvious they don't care about most of their users or at least about fairness. That's what he's subjected himself to and this result shouldn't really be a surprise.

I use HN and it's free to me. I could get banned.. I'd have some questions about my ban; but I also know dang to be pretty damn fair. I respect him and I think he respects others. There's no scenario where I'd talk to dang like this guy talked to Twitter. If dang acted like Twitter, I would either not be here, or I wouldn't be at all surprised when I was treated like I didn't matter.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by chownie »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #429
powerhour wrote: post #276

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I don't have hate speech bookmarked, sorry.

> I don't have hate speech bookmarked, sorry. Surely you have instances of the hatespeech you claim that wasn't moderated upon report. Transgenders are probably the most protected group on reddit, so much that questioning their arguments even respectfully is banned from that website. Nobody asked you to bookmark anything, but you need to source your claims.

> Transgenders are probably the most protected group on reddit, so much that questioning their arguments even respectfully is banned from that website

This is demonstrably false, literally any r/ukpolitics thread with a trans-related headline will contain a ton of respectful disagreement and then plenty of open prejudice too.

If we're being honest, be honest, don't twist a narrative the other way.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by jjulius »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #484
jjulius wrote: post #483

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>Not going to answer my direct question s to you, either, huh? ... it was a single question, and you edited it in as I was responding.

You've seen it now, and I asked you to "consider" something as well.

You're coming off a bit more aggressive than this conversation necessitates.

My response to your "consideration" is in my edit. Asking one to "consider" something is just that; asking them to think about it. It does not ask for a response (yet I did give you one while you were chastizing me for posting while you edited yours).

>what acts do you feel are justified by "just following orders," and under what circumstances?

There is a theme here - nuance. I've worked (past tense, and I'll have you know that part of the reason for my departure was my disagreement with this partnership) with FB as a partner in the past, and I am well aware of the incredibly wide variety of roles there. This is exactly why I am insisting that we talk to OP and learn more before we decide that they're a stain on society, need rehabilitation, whathaveyou.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by lapcat »

Arnavion wrote: post #485
lapcat wrote: post #475

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> that comment is also generally useful to all the lurkers out there. Is it though?

Yes it is. Ten years ago my employer asked me to make a GitHub account to contribute to the employer's open-source software on GitHub. I could've used my personal account, and plenty other employees did, but I figured it might be bad to give my employer control over it so I didn't. Today the employer has tightened control to the GH accounts - they must now SSO to the company portal, which requires doing it from a com…

> Clearly at least one person in this thread did not know it, so there's no harm in telling people about it.

Heh, no. I am the person who started this thread, and the only other person in this thread other than those defending unsolicited advice.

I'm well aware of the possibility of separating personal and work accounts, as is almost every intelligent person. Whether they actually choose to do so or not depends on a lot of factors that are specific to their situation. "Good advice" in the abstract is not the same as the best choice for an individual at the time.

It's hard to say whether I was even involved in the Twitter data breach, because 5 million is only a small subset of Twitter users, and apparently they're refusing to notify the victims. Not sure how Twitter gets away with non-disclosure.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by saurik »

ttpphd wrote: post #107

This is far from the main discussion, but I used to be a "stinker" like the author describes, and I have a touch of unsolicited advice. Life is much happier if you save your obstinate streak for very limited, important occasions. Otherwise, you live your life ensnared in the negativity of trivial violations of your personal expectations about values and behavior.

Alternatively, we need people--nay... heroes--such as this, or bullies like Twitter get to run roughshod over everyone.
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