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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by gdy »

moffkalast wrote: post #347
gdy wrote: post #250

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I don't think so. We have our share of shitty people just like any other nations. Misrepresenting them as something that is innate to Russia is just hate speech or propaganda.

> propaganda Well you're right, Russia (especially under Putin) has spent a long time presenting itself as the bogeyman of Europe with rampant international threats and assassinations, and now you're surprised people are afraid? That was the whole intention and well congrats, it worked. You don't get to have it both ways so kindly piss off.

It seems you are saying 'it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away' to me.

I kindly remind you that the comment I was replied to is saying: 'In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away"'.

The irony.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by hyperman1 »

jhpaul wrote: post #213
Someone wrote: post #198

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I think that’s challenging to achieve if you also want the robot to play well under time pressure. Even if you manage to build an actuator that can grab a piece quickly but can’t break anything, the required rapid movement of the arm still can break things.

How about a magnetic base on each piece and a table built on top of a pair of xyz movements holding two magnets. That way the brain can at any time grab its piece and make a move while nudging any obstructions out of the way temporarily. It could probably made to filp the polarity on the lower magnet causing the opponent piece to topple gently when appropriate. Seems very human proof and also exciting to watch in act…

A small plastic tube sucking air in to lift a piece would also do well.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by mdp2021 »

beebeepka wrote: post #341
smsm42 wrote: post #194

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As in illustration, I'll relay you an actual story that I read from one Russian blogger (who witnessed it himself and I trust him that he did): The scene is a couchette car in an overnight train between two Russian cities (a very popular mode of transport in Russia). It's late at night, so most people are preparing to sleep or sleeping already, so it is pretty quiet. Except for the two slightly drunk guys in one end…

That's nothing. I once read an actual story on a US aggregator site. The scene is a guy whose knowledge of anything outside his country is lacking. A relatively common occurrence around where he's from. After being bombarded with all kinds of propaganda for decades he'd easily believe almost anything on the topic. Especially after several months of extreme 24/7 antagonism due to a horrible war. That's how culture wor…

Point contextually not clear. "Be careful of sources?" That would be as generic as Cato's "Oh, and should I remind you that we should destroy Carthage".

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by Etheryte »

saiya-jin wrote: post #344
daliusd wrote: post #245

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Let’s keep this generalisation to specific countries as this is not true for Baltic countries at all.

Well I heard conflicting info on this one from Baltic states citizens. On one side they are clearly working much more efficiently, as long term economy shows and align more with western approach to things and values. On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and maf…

As someone from the Baltics, this is so out touch with reality that it's outright laughable.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by mads_ravn »

gdy wrote: post #250
daliusd wrote: post #247

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You meant russorealism ;-)

I don't think so. We have our share of shitty people just like any other nations. Misrepresenting them as something that is innate to Russia is just hate speech or propaganda.

I’m curious: You don’t think that being continuously exposed to government propaganda and threatened with jail/fines for dissenting opinions will increase the frequency of “shitty people”?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by gdy »

palmetieri2000 wrote: post #348
gdy wrote: post #342

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"the comment I replied to is discussing if Russian subcultures or culture can seem Cartoonish." Why did you inserted 'subcultures' here? The smsm42 subverted the discussion of the robot fuckup with a russophobic comment specifically saying 'It's a culture-wide thing' and you were replying to the comment saying 'there is no way they are that cartoonish'. Nowhere subcultures are mentioned except in your comment where y…

Another great "Gotcha!" from gdy. You have made no points worth addressing and contributed nothing to the conversation.

My point is that you brought a cherry-picked subculture to the discussion of the 'culture-wide thing' and after that lied that the conversation was about 'Russian subcultures or culture'.

I don't think you can 'address' it in any way except for not doing such things in the future.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by achenet »

theshrike79 wrote: post #203
palmetieri2000 wrote: post #185

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This videogame review from a YouTube channel called Warlockracy is actually also a really interesting perspective on at least some aspects of Russian subcultures and their prominence, I found it a surprisingly insightful social commentary wrapped up in an entertaining vid. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_PiXLVaJ8 (~45mins) The second video is more serious but also rather interesting (clips from it became very p…

Video #2 should be required watching for anyone joining the conversation about the Russia - Ukraine war. Martti J. Kari (the lecturer) spent his whole career in the Finnish military studying Russia. The Russian mentality is _really_ hard to understand for a generic westerner. Russia has been lead by a conservative leader for 200-300 years. Lead by an autocratic leader (Tsar) for a good thousand years. The next Tsar w…

France had been ruled by kings, and before that, the Roman Empire for thousands of years, and then one day we had a revolution and became freedom-loving leftists. Same can happen in Russia -indeed, same DID happen in Russia, until the USSR turned into a totalitarian state under Stalin.

Also, the US can totally have a multi-party system if they reform their electoral system. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by Etheryte »

mdp2021 wrote: post #360
Bost wrote: post #320

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In Russia, losses up to 4% are fine.

Any reference?

This is a common saying or trope with the number varying to a degree. The original version I know of is that in the Soviet military it was an acceptable loss to lose two people out of a hundred during a regular training operation.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by amelius »

EUROCARE wrote: post #359
amelius wrote: post #311

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Eh, even Tesla blames the user and their shady EULA lets them get away with it.

It's the law and courts that let them get away with it, not EULA.

Well, as a company you can choose to do the right thing, or you can choose to weasel your way out of uncomfortable situations using lawyers and the fact that the law is always lagging behind technological development.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by justsomehnguy »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #220
justsomehnguy wrote: post #157

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You're the one that made it some weird nationality thing. If you hadn't specifically asked about "the japanese", we'd be talking about chess programmer vs. robot engineer.

Lol?

> but I assume that in the japanese case there are some engineers that have implemented some safety and are supervising

[0]

> that made it some weird nationality thing

Oh pesky me! [1]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32210363

[1] https://imgur.com/a/wi2tf0N

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