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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by imtringued »

thisishard wrote: post #154

I watched the video and the robot most certainly did not grab the boy's index finger. Sequence of events 1. The robot was capturing the boy's queen with a bishop. For that, it first removed the queen from the board. 2a. The robot next moved the bishop onto the square where the queen was previously located. 2b. At the same time, the boy prematurely moved his rook to the same square, he completed the move before the bi…

Yeah this isn't a case of rogue AI, it is a case of the stupid variety that does exactly what you tell it to, which includes crushing fingers if those happen to be in its path.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by rossvor »

gdy wrote: post #313
rossvor wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said no such thing, he said that the planet was named "Матросская тишина" (seaman's silence) after this prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrosskaya_Tishina . And you are aware that he's playing the russian version of the game, right? Translating some bits for the english audience. I'm sure he's perfectly aware what the name of the game is in russian (it's literally in the first shot of the video). Seems like…

You are right about the prison, I guess I missed both the word 'planet' and the prison name and filled in the blank, and made an unjust judgement of the author of the video. 'Seems like you watched 5min to just quickly find something to discredit and immediately dismiss it' That's quite an uncharitable interpretation. You are right about one thing though -- I gave up quite early. "I see no reason why it couldn't be a…

>That's quite an uncharitable interpretation.

Agree, that was an uncharitable offhand sentence. I think it was prompted by your uncharitable criticism of the video -- immediately concluding that he's making shit up (rather that thinking it was a mistake or something else)

>In the context of judging the American nation as a whole -- of course not.

I don't think video is there judge Russian culture as a whole -- and I don't think that's ever useful. It's there to entertain and present (and judge) various cultural _strands_ of it, which someone outside of Russia/Ex-soviet states may not be aware of.

In the context of this thread, grandparent (smsm42) does seem intent to reduce this particular cultural stand to being _the_ Russian culture and all dominating. I disagree with that, but neither this video nor context of the palmetieri2000 post (he wanted to illustrate that it _can_ be that comical) was about that.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by aaaaaaaaaaab »

aaplok wrote: post #310
smsm42 wrote: post #90

It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…

How would an accident like that be handled elsewhere, say, the US, or Western Europe? Would the federation own up to it?

Western Europe: they would take responsibility.

US: they would take responsibility after the media outrage.

Japan: they would take responsibility, and the president of the federation would resign immediately.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by delusional »

drew-y wrote: post #303
Ekaros wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and some countries even allow car sized robots to operate next to pedestrians. That level of carelessness is something I can't understand. Almost as if they want to explicitly kill people.

I assume you are referring to driverless cars. Those aren't inherently unsafe. Neither are six axis robots. As I mentioned, cobots are well suited for this sort of situation. Just to reiterate, I am not trying to make some any sort of statement about the country. I'm just expressing my disgust in how this specific incident was responded to and the multiple failures in oversight leading up to it. Mistakes like this ha…

I'm genuinely curious, because I don't see it. What's the property that makes these robots "inherently unsafe" while driverless cars aren't?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by beebeepka »

gambiting wrote: post #279
smsm42 wrote: post #90

It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…

The same culture exists in Poland. Drove on a normal road and an unsecured bar of metal fell on your car from a construction site? Should have watched where you were going. The default stance is always that if something happens to you it's your own fault, should have been more careful. I'd lean towards this being a common thing either in Slavic culture or at least in ex-communist countries for some reason.

I once had a guy scold me for having an umbrella in my hand while walking on the street in front of his business (a garage, really) because his German shepherd will attack me and it will be on me.

Incidentally, his appearance was in total sync with his character. This was about a decade ago here in Bulgaria. We have plenty of troglodytes like that around here

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by [deleted] »

aaaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #333
aaplok wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would an accident like that be handled elsewhere, say, the US, or Western Europe? Would the federation own up to it?

Western Europe: they would take responsibility. US: they would take responsibility after the media outrage. Japan: they would take responsibility, and the president of the federation would resign immediately.

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by gdy »

smsm42 wrote: post #287
gdy wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. We have our share of shitty people just like any other nations. Misrepresenting them as something that is innate to Russia is just hate speech or propaganda.

Misrepresenting - sure. Accurately representing - well, I guess it still can be propaganda, but propagating the truth bears no shame. It is interesting though how the defender of Russian culture chooses to wield a Western weapon of "hate speech" accusation. In Russia, "hate speech" would be something that the government does not approve of. Including telling the literal truth - such as calling the war the war - or ev…

"It is interesting "

What exactly is interesting? Hate speech is bad, unless it is directed at Russians and then it is not hate speech but 'accurate representation'?

'In Russia, "hate speech" would be something that the government does not approve of'

Not really. 'The motive of political hatred' can be added to the case as an aggravating circumstance, but the charge itself is 'discreditation of Russian army' or 'spreading misinformation'. Not that it makes much difference, since the war began life's got scary in Russia in this respect.

'even saying that patriotism is not kissing the ass of the President' 'a person got arrested for that'

Is this what you call 'propagating the truth'?

Yuriy Shevchuk said a lot of things during his concert but he was never arrested and the court dismissed charges of administrative misconduct for the lack of substance. The prosecutor is going to try again though, but I hope for a good ending -- Shevchuk has a lot of respect in Russian society.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by [deleted] »

gambiting wrote: post #283
paganel wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have used “cowboy culture” instead of “macho culture”, that way at least your over-the-top generalization would have been free of cultural appropriation.

That has to be sarcasm. Or trying to be funny, but not very well.

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by saagarjha »

daliusd wrote: post #245
divan wrote: post #230

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> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).

Let’s keep this generalisation to specific countries as this is not true for Baltic countries at all.

Let's not generalize about specific countries at all?
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