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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by notch656a »

foverzar wrote: post #270
notch656a wrote: post #255

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Um the discussion was revolving around a chess tournament organized (by admission of the moscow chess open website) part of the Russian government. As you know, Russian government right now has been agressively sending tanks into neighboring nations with the very flags of the USSR, including the hammer and sickle, while that same government goes on 45 minute tirades about restoring the glory of uniting former soviet…

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On a technical implementation of the robot I agree completely. On the policy level I concede I am not very familiar with policies of the USSR, but it is a policy decision of the Russian government organizer to allow the placement of the robot, a robot that many organizers would deem not safe for interaction with children. Recent policy in Russia indicates they still have a lot of legacies left from the USSR.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by OrderlyTiamat »

godelski wrote: post #199
ALittleLight wrote: post #112

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AGI alignment is a vastly bigger problem. Of course poorly built and deployed ML systems will kill and injure people - but these are tragedies of the kind humanity can endure and overcome and has overcome. Poorly aligned AGI is nothing less than the entire species at stake.

> AGI alignment is a vastly bigger problem But also far less likely to happen anytime soon. A bigger danger is when someone thinks a machine is sentient or "semi-conscious" (whatever that means) and naively uses it to do tasks it shouldn't.

I think that's a reasonable stance, but only for some values of "soon". In a hundred years, we may well have AGI. At that time, we better have developed a robust science for how to control them. This is a somewhat unrelated problem to the current problem of machine/AI safety and both require more focus than they currently get.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by gambiting »

paganel wrote: post #261
smsm42 wrote: post #173

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It's not cartoonish, it's the culture. Of course it's not homogenous - you can find a lot of people that go against the mainstream. In a hyper-macho culture you can find males who are shy and sensitive, in an introverted culture valuing privacy and closeness you can find people who are extroverted and exuberant, in a culture where accepting blame is not encouraged you can find a lot of people that will readily do tha…

You could have used “cowboy culture” instead of “macho culture”, that way at least your over-the-top generalization would have been free of cultural appropriation.

That has to be sarcasm. Or trying to be funny, but not very well.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by smsm42 »

TylerLives wrote: post #256
smsm42 wrote: post #225

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You need to realize though the West has embraced multiculturalism, largely. Russia has not. It does not mean there are no diverse cultures in Russia - or even Moscow, but it does mean there is one dominant culture, and closer you get to the places where power is accessible, the more dominant and more exclusive it becomes. There are various cultures found in Moscow (and any big city in Russia), but there is also the C…

What is the "culture of power", can you give some examples? And what are your pronouns?

> What is the "culture of power", can you give some examples?

I thought I did, in my comments uptopic. If you expect me to write a doctoral thesis on modern Russian culture, sorry, I am neither qualified nor it is the right place. While I have plenties of anecdotal data, and would be glad to share my experience to the extent I can, systematic treatment of a culture is not something one could do in a random comment on HN. I can name it, at best - Russian Imperial culture, and describe some of its qualities, but anything beyond that will have to wait for somebody who either has a PhD or wants to get one researching Russian culture.

> And what are your pronouns?

None of your business/None of your business.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by smsm42 »

gdy wrote: post #240
smsm42 wrote: post #90

It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…

This is a fine exhibit in the museum of Russophobia.

I'd visit it. Do they accept donations?

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Post by foverzar »

drew-y wrote: post #253
foverzar wrote: post #233

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> Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. Whut. What makes you think anyone did?

> The child moved the figure, then the robot must be given time to react. But the boy was in a hurry and the robot grabbed him. We have nothing to do with the robot,” commented Moscow Chess Federation President Sergey Lazarev.

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by smsm42 »

gdy wrote: post #250
daliusd wrote: post #247

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You meant russorealism ;-)

I don't think so. We have our share of shitty people just like any other nations. Misrepresenting them as something that is innate to Russia is just hate speech or propaganda.

Misrepresenting - sure. Accurately representing - well, I guess it still can be propaganda, but propagating the truth bears no shame.

It is interesting though how the defender of Russian culture chooses to wield a Western weapon of "hate speech" accusation. In Russia, "hate speech" would be something that the government does not approve of. Including telling the literal truth - such as calling the war the war - or even saying that patriotism is not kissing the ass of the President (a person got arrested for that, though I don't think they decided to prosecute - that'd be interesting to see them attempt to prove that patriotism actually is just that!)

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Post by iasay »

foverzar wrote: post #269
iasay wrote: post #257

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No it’s spot on. Check the response by the chess association. They blame the boy. In Russia, it’s your fault and there will be bureaucratic treacle to wade through instantly. I’ve worked with many people from that region over the years and dated one and it’s absolutely right. It’s also why lots of people left.

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Wasn’t a bad dating experience. We’re still friends. She moved out of Russia because no one would investigate why her brother disappeared on a government job. It was her problem. It was his fault.

She calls her own people culturally defective.

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Post by EUROCARE »

foverzar wrote: post #263
EUROCARE wrote: post #243

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No, there's something wrong with the people who go around this and don't say a thing because it's not even weird to them.

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Not letting people (and much less children) around industrial robots is not virtue signalling, it's basic safety and common sense. Where's everyone's protective headgear anyways? What if it starts spinning around because of an error in the Gcode? This thing could kill everyone around it with one swing. Where's the emergency stop button?

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Post by drew-y »

foverzar wrote: post #286
drew-y wrote: post #253

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> The child moved the figure, then the robot must be given time to react. But the boy was in a hurry and the robot grabbed him. We have nothing to do with the robot,” commented Moscow Chess Federation President Sergey Lazarev.

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I never said anything about Russia. I am talking about the people in charge of this event specifically.

> the robot must be given time to react. But the boy was in a hurry and the robot grabbed him

A soft blame, but a blame nonetheless. It's an attempt to divert responsibility, no matter how you look at it. They were ultimately in charge of the situation, it's never a good sign when the leaders immediately try to assign blame elsewhere.

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