Why did the AI decide to do that action at all?
Someone wrote move_arm_down() in its source.
A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is Moscow though. I think it’s fairly likely the culture in Moscow is fairly homogenous.
Is it? Is the culture of Paris fairly homogenous? New York? London? Berlin? I would imagine the place has some shared cultural understandings, generally, but that a big city is going to be much more heterogenous. But maybe I'm thinking too micro scale.
This seems like the old lumpers vs splitters issue:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpers_and_splitters
There's definitely something different in Berlin vs New York culture, and me, a person that sees commonalities everywhere, i.e. a lumper, definitely sees a common/dominant culture in each of these places.
On the other side you have splitters that always find a reason to differentiate more.
There's no right and wrong on this discussion, it's subjective in essence, you can always lump or split by your own rules. That is a classification problem.
Darwin talked about it at length, because he was annoyed by splitters denying any kind of classification, making it really hard to make a taxonomy.
If you split too much, every human is an individual, you can't say anything about anything anymore.
If you lump too much, all humans are the same, you can't say anything about anything either.
The sweet spot is somewhere in between, where you can speak about Moscow, vs Berlin, vs New York culture. Because there's definitely something different about these places. And neither say they're all the same, or that you have to look at each individual before making a judgment.
But most people can't agree where exactly this sweet spot is.
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#233This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. Their force sensors are not nearly sensitive enough to stop before causing serious injury. Going fast enough, they can absolutely kill you. This just screams negligence to me. Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. There are robots, called Cobots, designed specifically for this type of environ…
> Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child.
Whut. What makes you think anyone did?
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ski lift fatality rate is about 1/10 of cars, with only one death per 700 million miles traveled and average of 0.34 deaths per year. Ski lift is one of the safest modes of transports known to man. It probably saves many lives vs someone walking up the mountain. That is, unlike the chess robot it creates a comparative net decline in risk for achieving the task of climbing a mountain. A wildly overbuilt (for the task)…
>"It probably saves many lives vs someone walking up the mountain." You say "probably". Means you have no clue whether it is a fact or just invention of your mind. Then why bring it up as an argument.
Well I do have a "clue." Fatality rates for walking are imperfect but some studies have put them around ~37/billion kilometers walked [0]. For Ski lifts, it is 0.93 per billion kilometers. That's over an order magnitude worse for walking.
Now most people don't walk on mountains, so it's not a direct comparison. Walking on sidewalk is often a well paved, but with the risk of cars. Cars usually aren't on mountains, but on the other hand the conditions are oft very inclined with ice/snow, with difficult walking that can lend towards inducing casualties. My educated guess are these tradeoffs aren't enough to overcome the order of magnitude higher rate found in walking vs ski lift in our imperfect comparison across studies.
The honest answer is the word "probably" was used to denote the evidence points my mind in that direction, in a way that appears reasonable at least to me and probably many readers here. But if I want to use the bad faith accusatory tone you've presented, then I'd just say I said it to annoy persons such as yourself for my personal amusement.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221414051....
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you nor anyone else knows when AGI is likely to happen. I also don't think that incorrectly believing a machine is sentient when it is not is a "bigger danger." Again, an improperly aligned AGI could kill the entire human race. I'm not sure what harm incorrectly believing a machine is sentient might do, but I don't think it would be as bad as human extinction or enslavement which are both real possibili…
You seem to be comparing only the worst-case impact and not the probability. To see why that's fallacious, consider that an asteroid could also kill the entire human race, but nobody would agree that asteroids are more dangerous than drunk driving.
I think there's a high probability of AGI within a century. Surveys show most experts share that opinion. It's hard to know the probability that the AI will be misaligned - but currently we have no idea how to align it. It's also hard to say how likely a misaligned AI would be to cause extinction. However, we have no reason to think that either of those things are unlikely.
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that’s challenging to achieve if you also want the robot to play well under time pressure. Even if you manage to build an actuator that can grab a piece quickly but can’t break anything, the required rapid movement of the arm still can break things.
How about a magnetic base on each piece and a table built on top of a pair of xyz movements holding two magnets. That way the brain can at any time grab its piece and make a move while nudging any obstructions out of the way temporarily. It could probably made to filp the polarity on the lower magnet causing the opponent piece to topple gently when appropriate. Seems very human proof and also exciting to watch in act…
It doesn’t even need to be that complicated. The moving pieces can move between other pieces.
For example: https://youtu.be/JhoLEbUOYlk
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#237It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…
Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.
Have you forgotten about a program called “the news” over the past six months?
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#238This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. Their force sensors are not nearly sensitive enough to stop before causing serious injury. Going fast enough, they can absolutely kill you. This just screams negligence to me. Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. There are robots, called Cobots, designed specifically for this type of environ…
> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).
No post body was provided.
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#239This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. Their force sensors are not nearly sensitive enough to stop before causing serious injury. Going fast enough, they can absolutely kill you. This just screams negligence to me. Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. There are robots, called Cobots, designed specifically for this type of environ…
> Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. Whut. What makes you think anyone did?
"moved a piece on the chessboard earlier than he should"?
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#240It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…
This is a fine exhibit in the museum of Russophobia.