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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by paganel »

smsm42 wrote: post #173
birdyrooster wrote: post #96

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Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.

It's not cartoonish, it's the culture. Of course it's not homogenous - you can find a lot of people that go against the mainstream. In a hyper-macho culture you can find males who are shy and sensitive, in an introverted culture valuing privacy and closeness you can find people who are extroverted and exuberant, in a culture where accepting blame is not encouraged you can find a lot of people that will readily do tha…

You could have used “cowboy culture” instead of “macho culture”, that way at least your over-the-top generalization would have been free of cultural appropriation.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by foverzar »

EUROCARE wrote: post #243
foverzar wrote: post #238

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No, there's something wrong with the people who go around this and don't say a thing because it's not even weird to them.

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by smsm42 »

foverzar wrote: post #241
smsm42 wrote: post #173

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It's not cartoonish, it's the culture. Of course it's not homogenous - you can find a lot of people that go against the mainstream. In a hyper-macho culture you can find males who are shy and sensitive, in an introverted culture valuing privacy and closeness you can find people who are extroverted and exuberant, in a culture where accepting blame is not encouraged you can find a lot of people that will readily do tha…

Dude, you are just projecting your spite. This would be laughable if I didn't know you were serious. So it's actually just scary how how you make things up.

I'm sorry to scare you, please drink a cup of warm tea and listen to some good music, it will relax you. I haven't made up a thing though, I've observed this culture personally for decades. I grew up in it. Not sure what you mean by "spite" - nor do I care that much - and of course, I could be mistaken, but these were my observations and my conclusions, nothing is made up.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by paganel »

theshrike79 wrote: post #203
palmetieri2000 wrote: post #185

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This videogame review from a YouTube channel called Warlockracy is actually also a really interesting perspective on at least some aspects of Russian subcultures and their prominence, I found it a surprisingly insightful social commentary wrapped up in an entertaining vid. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_PiXLVaJ8 (~45mins) The second video is more serious but also rather interesting (clips from it became very p…

Video #2 should be required watching for anyone joining the conversation about the Russia - Ukraine war. Martti J. Kari (the lecturer) spent his whole career in the Finnish military studying Russia. The Russian mentality is _really_ hard to understand for a generic westerner. Russia has been lead by a conservative leader for 200-300 years. Lead by an autocratic leader (Tsar) for a good thousand years. The next Tsar w…

There was almost nothing “conservative” about Leninism. The same goes for Stalinism. Your comment actually just made me want to but “The Atheist Manual” (or something similar, can’t remember the exact title) that was published in 1950s USSR and which I found in a Romanian translation in an antique bookshop that I usually frequent.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by smsm42 »

paganel wrote: post #261
smsm42 wrote: post #173

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It's not cartoonish, it's the culture. Of course it's not homogenous - you can find a lot of people that go against the mainstream. In a hyper-macho culture you can find males who are shy and sensitive, in an introverted culture valuing privacy and closeness you can find people who are extroverted and exuberant, in a culture where accepting blame is not encouraged you can find a lot of people that will readily do tha…

You could have used “cowboy culture” instead of “macho culture”, that way at least your over-the-top generalization would have been free of cultural appropriation.

I think this comment already has at least a half of the culture war bingo. If you add a couple of -isms and maybe a -phobia or two, you will have a definite winner.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by tester756 »

pg_bot wrote: post #111

I have so many questions. 1.) What organizer/parent in their right mind thought that this was a good idea. Never place humans within the reach of industrial robots. He's lucky to have only broken a finger. 2.) Why make a robot pick up the pieces? Handling movement of chess pieces by a computer has been done safely since the early 1980's by Milton Bradley. 3.) Was the boy actually playing against a computer player? If…

>3.) Was the boy actually playing against a computer player? If so, why?

4fun? 4lulz?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by TheGigaChad »

divan wrote: post #230
drew-y wrote: post #149

This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. Their force sensors are not nearly sensitive enough to stop before causing serious injury. Going fast enough, they can absolutely kill you. This just screams negligence to me. Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. There are robots, called Cobots, designed specifically for this type of environ…

> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).

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Post by foverzar »

iasay wrote: post #257
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No it’s spot on. Check the response by the chess association. They blame the boy. In Russia, it’s your fault and there will be bureaucratic treacle to wade through instantly. I’ve worked with many people from that region over the years and dated one and it’s absolutely right. It’s also why lots of people left.

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by foverzar »

notch656a wrote: post #255
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Um the discussion was revolving around a chess tournament organized (by admission of the moscow chess open website) part of the Russian government. As you know, Russian government right now has been agressively sending tanks into neighboring nations with the very flags of the USSR, including the hammer and sickle, while that same government goes on 45 minute tirades about restoring the glory of uniting former soviet…

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