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A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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To summarize your POV: Japanese: smart guys Ivans: stupid fucks

It is a demo/photoshoot of the company's own equipment. You would think they know what they're doing: they make the damn things!

On the other hand, we have some russians that have already proven themselves incompetent.

Doesn't have anything to do with intellegence. It has to do with engineering professionalism.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.

That jives with what I heard and the English translated Russian pop literature I have read. Besides, caveat venditor is more of an American thing, with most of the world being caveat emptor . Having said all of that, I don't think robotics and AI is the kind of thing we "move fast and break things".

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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> What organizer/parent in their right mind thought that this was a good idea. Never place humans within the reach of industrial robots. Would you scold Japanese the same if they "placed human within the reach of industrial robots"? Oops, they actually did that: > A robot arm (L), developed by Japanese auto parts maker Denso and operated by computer game software YaneuraOu, plays against professional shogi, or Japane…

lol yes that robot shouldn't be that close to that human.

Then how about Germans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTWM7LA540Y

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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I watched the video and the robot most certainly did not grab the boy's index finger.

Sequence of events

1. The robot was capturing the boy's queen with a bishop. For that, it first removed the queen from the board.

2a. The robot next moved the bishop onto the square where the queen was previously located.

2b. At the same time, the boy prematurely moved his rook to the same square, he completed the move before the bishop has been placed on the square

3. The robot completed its final downward motion to place the bishop onto the square while the boy's fingers were still on the rook, thus pinning the index finger between the bishop and the rook

The robot didn't do anything it wasn't programmed to do

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Are there any other major examples of modern ML ethical issues besides some Tesla cars killing their drivers? Are ML driven robots in factories killing people or Something? Because I haven’t heard of anything else. The only other modern AI ethics stuff I hear about is making image generators more politically correct and maybe some criminal sentencing algorithms that are being misused (which isn’t really an AI ethics…

I think everyone here is justified in saying "do your own research." Plenty of stories if you just Google a bit.

I was mostly being facetious, I have done my research. I don’t really expect many legitimately good answers (although I’ll keep an open mind).

I’m still waiting for those GPT-3 and deep fake horror stories we were warned about to come to reality.

Maybe ML needs more script kiddy frameworks like KaliOS for these tools before the justifications to slow down R&D will finally be justified?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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>a kid made a reasonable kid movement What do you mean? There's no reasonable time where you and your opponent are touching the pieces at the same time. Nor is there a reasonable time where you reach for the same piece.

Sure there is, like if you move a piece, hit the clock, then realise your piece wasn't quite centered on the square. Maybe not technically correct, but reasonable.

A robot isn't just going to grab your piece since the rules of the game state it has to move its own piece.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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To summarize your POV: Japanese: smart guys Ivans: stupid fucks

It is a demo/photoshoot of the company's own equipment. You would think they know what they're doing: they make the damn things! On the other hand, we have some russians that have already proven themselves incompetent. Doesn't have anything to do with intellegence. It has to do with engineering professionalism.

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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This is why in civilized societies the government mandates minimum safety standards so that a company is not even allowed to place such dangerous equipment around people. You wouldn't be allowed to build a mangler anymore in a civilized society, waiver or no.

That why in civilized societies use illegal immigrants or put the factory in other countries who have less safety regulations and then import it, or have corporationsso big that they are untouchable.

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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I have a robot arm (Dobot MG400), it has a has a force sensitivity setting (5 levels) that stops when a collision happens. There's also an e-stop that you can hit that will stop the robot.

Out of curiosity, what do you use it for? I'd love to play around with one but I can't think of many use-cases beyond showing it off to guests.

I really hope the answer is "robot chess"
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