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A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#133I have so many questions. 1.) What organizer/parent in their right mind thought that this was a good idea. Never place humans within the reach of industrial robots. He's lucky to have only broken a finger. 2.) Why make a robot pick up the pieces? Handling movement of chess pieces by a computer has been done safely since the early 1980's by Milton Bradley. 3.) Was the boy actually playing against a computer player? If…
> What organizer/parent in their right mind thought that this was a good idea. Never place humans within the reach of industrial robots.
Would you scold Japanese the same if they "placed human within the reach of industrial robots"? Oops, they actually did that:
> A robot arm (L), developed by Japanese auto parts maker Denso and operated by computer game software YaneuraOu, plays against professional shogi, or Japanese chess player Shinya Sato (R) in Tokyo on March 22, 2014 at the second match of the Denou-sen between computer and professional shogi players.
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/robot-arm-deve...
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
A killswitch wouldn't help here, the kid's finger was probably broken before he even felt the pain. Given the bot's behavior, it looks like it's programmed to move its arm down until it touches the table. It didn't notice that it encountered resistance, and kept pushing down. That's incredibly unsafe, and easy to fix: track actual vs expected position, and give up if any surprises are encountered.
> and easy to fix Yes, it is very easy to fix: remove the inefficient and entirely unnecessary robot arm and replace with sensors and electromagnets built into the chessboard so the chess engine can detect location of and move (magnetic) pieces electromagnetically.
But that wouldn't be as impressive for spectators as a child-smashing robot arm.
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#135There are clear perimeters set in industrial settings when robots are in operation for this precise reason.
I'm sure the devs could have used much lower force values when dealing with the prices or put logic in place where if a hand is on the board the robot disengages. Hindsight is 20/20..
Looked horrific could barely watch for a few seconds.
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are in fact times when we need to think about children. If we don't, humanity won't have much of a future.
Quite the contrary, I think. Society has become "soft", for lack of better words. If we had been so risk-averse centuries ago, the industrial revolution would have never happened.
'dont wish upon others that Wich you yourself cannot endure'
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#137The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.
Honestly, as someone that researches ML, this is my major concern. It isn't AGI that has the potential to kill us, it is current ML systems that can't handle OOD data and engineers put it in place because "that's the user's fault." Same reason we have Teslas crashing. AI safety might talk about AGI a lot, but their main area of research is modern systems and concerns over that. OOD data is really hard to deal with FW…
Are there any other major examples of modern ML ethical issues besides some Tesla cars killing their drivers?
Are ML driven robots in factories killing people or Something? Because I haven’t heard of anything else.
The only other modern AI ethics stuff I hear about is making image generators more politically correct and maybe some criminal sentencing algorithms that are being misused (which isn’t really an AI ethics problem but a judicial procedural one).
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#138TIL 'breaking the finger' is not an obscure chess move that I had never heard of.
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#139We need to regulate how strong a robotic arm can be allowed to be if it interacts with humans.
In Soviet Russia, robot arm regulates you!
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#140The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.
Now it broke a finger, which sucks, but’ll heal. But what if it had taken out an eye?
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