Live data from Hacker News

EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

consilium.europa.eu

961–970 of 1001 posts

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#961
post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent comment was being unfair. There is one market where Europeans dominate both in sheer volume and in innovation: excuses. Excusing business, excusing governments; an international pastime of the Europeans, apparently. Europeans did in fact exist before all of the listed examples came into being, and so could have outcompeted any of them even if they are now dominant. But I still think Europeans _could_ compe…

Yeah. And Europeans are astounded by American affinity for excusing socipathic corporations who bloat on uncontrolled cash influx floating their shares, giving them to power to profit from even murdering you Americans. From healthcare to guns to pink goo being sold as 'food'. Any country can 'compete' if they allow their society to be ravaged by such sociopathy. Until they face social collapse. Like the US is doing n…

Europeans have a lot going for them that should make them more competitive - social safety net, better regulation, ability to build infrastructure without local opposition.

Gun violence is a huge drag on the American economy, so it doesn’t make sense to say “Americans are competitive because corporations can profit off guns”. Americans are competitive _despite_ massive regulatory failures and IMO could be quite a lot more competitive if we paired entrepreneurial ambition with basic government competence.

By the way, “pink goo” (more commonly pink slime) is not dangerous, and is used to cut down on waste. It is the “ugly produce” of the meat world. I don’t see anything objectionable about pink slime that isn’t also objectionable about meat in general as a food.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#962
post #921
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

For me, "an iPhone that complies with these demands" would be a worse experience than the current one. I have no intention to install Microsoft app store (so I can get Outlook), Facebook app store (so I can get WhatsApp), and Google app store (so I can have Maps). I prefer having one app store to having four different ones.

You can use any store you want on Android, and yet you can get Outlook, WhatsApp and Maps from the Play store. Why would it be different?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#963
post #947
post #829

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When Facebook mandates that to install Instagram you must sideload it from the Facebook store and your entire's family's location is being tracked 24/7 I hope you will thank Zuckerberg for all the freedom hes giving you How will the Instagram app evade iOS's security measures if it's sideloaded?

Doesn’t go through app review when it’s side loaded, so it can have features that go against the ToS or app guidelines

I think you misunderstand what the sandbox of the operating system does. An app cannot start tracking you 24/7 just because it's sideloaded.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#964
post #943

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. This however isn't a reason for the rest of the world to accept this. And since the power in the market is highly concentrated and all of it is moving more and more in this direction, regulation enforces these alternative options now. All this does is regulate the power the provider of a product has over their customer. This does not ruin the walled garden for the…

> That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. That’s actually not possible though. For instance, Microsoft is likely to create its own app store, as is Adobe, Google, and obviously Epic, among the many others. So now I will have to install a bunch of app stores just to install different softwares. I already have this problem on my gaming PC where I not only have a bunch of different app stores, but a bunch o…

Don't think of them as stores, think of them as repositories, just like how civilized operating systems use package managers.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#965

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. This however isn't a reason for the rest of the world to accept this. And since the power in the market is highly concentrated and all of it is moving more and more in this direction, regulation enforces these alternative options now. All this does is regulate the power the provider of a product has over their customer. This does not ruin the walled garden for the…

> This however isn't a reason for the rest of the world to accept this. I guess most of "the rest of the world" will still be hindered by the price tag.

Price is right on the iPhone SE. Not an Apple user anymore, but it is very competitive versus Samsung, Google Pixel et al.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#966
post #661

I do wish iPhones could use alternate browser engines and bypass the Apple 30% cut, but the fact I'm having to click through one of those stupid cookie dialogs on this page just leaves the bad taste in my mouth of how much the EU regulation screwed up the internet the last time they made a change like this. Not saying I want tracking cookies everywhere, but they should have just made tracking cookies illegal outright…

I left Europe before the full enforcement of this cookies dialog and everytime I spend time there I'm like: how can anyone accept this state of affairs

You left Europe because of consumer protection laws? To solve a problem that is actually global and, if it really bothers you, can be solved with a browser plugins that clicks yes?

Rather odd choice, but everyone has their priority I suppose.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#967

I do wish iPhones could use alternate browser engines and bypass the Apple 30% cut, but the fact I'm having to click through one of those stupid cookie dialogs on this page just leaves the bad taste in my mouth of how much the EU regulation screwed up the internet the last time they made a change like this. Not saying I want tracking cookies everywhere, but they should have just made tracking cookies illegal outright…

You are mistaken.

Firstly, as all should know by now there is no need to give a cookie warning for any technical cookies. This means whenever it is there it is provided because the website provider thought they need a third party tracking to manage ads or get customer info.

Secondly, the way the banners are designed is the problem, not that the banners are there. A few large providers (notably Google and an adtech alliance) have standardised intrusive, bad-default and dark-pattern heavy cookie banners. If this was a single well-remembered click on each site no one would mind, the problem is that the providers want to make it painful so you start to just click 'accept' to get it over with.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#968
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

you have some false assumptions though.

what is in the walled garden is decided by apple, and they do not have your best interests in mind.

For example - any app you install has unfettered network access.

what/who the app is connecting to, and what is being sent back and forth is opaque to you.

deep linking allows apps to intercept url references external to the app.

privacy policies are documents that live on a web server and can change at any time. And app updates can silently change the behavior of the apps as well.

It's all a mess, but because there are nice fonts and the icons have rounded corners people are subtly influenced to think it is well organized, maintained and modern.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#969
post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is not "one market". There is free movement of good, services, money and people. But it is still 28 similar markets with different cultures, different languages, different bureaucracies and sometimes different currency. It is 400 million people but comparing the EU to the US is wrong on so many levels. Also calling the US an "open" market is like saying China is a "free" democracy. "One would think that if…

Quoted post unavailable.

Please don't post nationalistic flamewar comments to HN. We ban accounts that do that. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#970

I do wish iPhones could use alternate browser engines and bypass the Apple 30% cut, but the fact I'm having to click through one of those stupid cookie dialogs on this page just leaves the bad taste in my mouth of how much the EU regulation screwed up the internet the last time they made a change like this. Not saying I want tracking cookies everywhere, but they should have just made tracking cookies illegal outright…

You are mistaken. Firstly, as all should know by now there is no need to give a cookie warning for any technical cookies. This means whenever it is there it is provided because the website provider thought they need a third party tracking to manage ads or get customer info. Secondly, the way the banners are designed is the problem, not that the banners are there. A few large providers (notably Google and an adtech al…

> If this was a single well-remembered click on each site no one would mind, the problem is that the providers want to make it painful so you start to just click 'accept' to get it over with.

God bless any website with a simple Reject All button.

Post reply on HN