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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by dx034 »

parasense wrote: post #183
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

> Fines are up to 10% of global revenue for the first offense, and 20% for repeat offenses. For Alphabet (Google) the revenue distribution from 2015 to 2021 was approximately 33% for all of Europe, Middle-east, and Africa. It's unclear to me the actual European numbers since they are combined EMEA. For Apple in 2021 the revenue was approximately 23% for Europe (no middle-east or Africa). For Facebook in 2021 the reve…

Great, if Alphabet, Facebook and Apple leave the EU, it will be a painful few years but finally boost the EU tech sector. It's what China did: Prohibit external services to force local innovation.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by dx034 »

blibble wrote: post #150
Gareth321 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, extremely low. The DMA has passed final debate and review, so it's not changing now. The last step is basically a formality. The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. The level of abstraction is just too large. Apple, Google, Amazon, et al., can wage a PR campaign, but it's highly unlikely to succeed.

> The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. the tradeoff is now there's only one entity to bribe instead of 27 there's almost 50,000 registered EU lobbyists https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/eu-affairs/...

Not all lobbying is bad. That this regulation clearly protects the local tech industry is in the interest of many companies, but also in the interest of many (if not most) of the population.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by permo-w »

newaccount74 wrote: post #730
parasense wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fines are up to 10% of global revenue for the first offense, and 20% for repeat offenses. For Alphabet (Google) the revenue distribution from 2015 to 2021 was approximately 33% for all of Europe, Middle-east, and Africa. It's unclear to me the actual European numbers since they are combined EMEA. For Apple in 2021 the revenue was approximately 23% for Europe (no middle-east or Africa). For Facebook in 2021 the reve…

Fines are "UP TO" 10% / 20% of global revenue. I doubt actual fines are going to be that high. Also, it has to be global revenue, because otherwise they would just use funny accounting tricks to hide their revenue (they already do that).

in tomorrow's news: "Apple, Google and Facebook in joint venture to the moon"

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by dx034 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #72
rvschuilenburg wrote: post #16

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This almost sounds too good to be true. What are the odds of this being watered down, or being delayed into eternity?

My worry is that it will just not be enforced, just like the GDPR. The GDPR wasn’t watered down but in the end it just wasn’t enforced (at least not enough) against the biggest offenders it was meant to regulate.

GDPR changed a lot. From my own experience, European companies think much harder about what data to collect, where to store it and how to distribute it. We're not even close to 100% enforcement, but a huge step forward from where we were.

If this law only reaches 20% of what it envisions, it'll do more for consumers than other laws before.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by dx034 »

la64710 wrote: post #587
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Europe’s requirement of those pesky cookie notices have killed the joy of surfing the net. Every goddamn site has this stupid cookie popup show up. It is like playing whack-a-mole. They should have instead only allow necessary cookies and marketing and other cookies should be part of signing up for a specific service and not just visiting the website. The thought is noble but the implementation sucks.

With the right plugin (both mobile and desktop), you can automatically opt out, something that wasn't possible before. And larger ad companies actually enforce compliance here (where possible).

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by dx034 »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #394
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

> Use existing hardware and software features without competitive prejudice. E.g. NFC What this will mean for me as an iPhone user: instead of using Apple Pay which is seamlessly integrated in my phone, watch and desktop OS, I will instead have to use my bank's terrible HTML-based 'app' to perform contactless payments, making it 100 times less convenient. This probably will make me switch back to using my bank card.…

Of course you can use Apple Pay, but if you don't like it you could also use Google Pay or Samsung Pay instead. But Apple Pay could also be used on Androids if Apple chooses to offer it.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by permo-w »

solarkraft wrote: post #815
la64710 wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe’s requirement of those pesky cookie notices have killed the joy of surfing the net. Every goddamn site has this stupid cookie popup show up. It is like playing whack-a-mole. They should have instead only allow necessary cookies and marketing and other cookies should be part of signing up for a specific service and not just visiting the website. The thought is noble but the implementation sucks.

> The thought is noble but the implementation sucks And you know who does the actual implementation, right? This is mostly a case of malicious (arguably non-) compliance.

it most cases it's not even arguable

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by selfhoster11 »

la64710 wrote: post #587
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Europe’s requirement of those pesky cookie notices have killed the joy of surfing the net. Every goddamn site has this stupid cookie popup show up. It is like playing whack-a-mole. They should have instead only allow necessary cookies and marketing and other cookies should be part of signing up for a specific service and not just visiting the website. The thought is noble but the implementation sucks.

Cookie banners are a brain-dead, malicious compliance way of evading the actual goal, which was to reduce the needless use of tracking and analytics cookies. AFAIK, if you only use cookies strictly when they need to be used to make your application work, you don't even need the banner.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by dane-pgp »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #731
dane-pgp wrote: post #579

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If sites actually obeyed the GDPR (i.e. if national governments actually devoted enough resources to enforcing it) then all those banners would have a "Reject" button that is just as clickable as the "Accept" one. Hopefully your friends and family haven't become so trained to look for the word "accept" that they will be unable to find the correct button when companies finally start complying. Or better yet, companies…

> dane-pgp 4 hours ago | parent | next [–] If sites actually obeyed the GDPR (i.e. if national governments actually devoted enough resources to enforcing it) then all those banners would have a "Reject" button that is just as clickable as the "Accept" one. Yeah, but there isn’t. There is no incentive, or a stick, to make them comply. It’s a dumb regulation. The regulator doesn’t care to enforce and has no resources t…

> It was clear from the beginning.

I don't remember anyone predicting that there would be an industry-wide effort to deliberately not comply with the rules, relying on lax national enforcement, with companies choosing to make their own websites less nice to use just to (successfully) trick people into hating the legislation and not the surveillance practices that the legislation was designed to stop.

That's proven to be a great strategy in hindsight, but I think that this Schelling point was only found by accident.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by dx034 »

pmcollins wrote: post #732
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #414

I do wish iPhones could use alternate browser engines and bypass the Apple 30% cut, but the fact I'm having to click through one of those stupid cookie dialogs on this page just leaves the bad taste in my mouth of how much the EU regulation screwed up the internet the last time they made a change like this. Not saying I want tracking cookies everywhere, but they should have just made tracking cookies illegal outright…

the cookie law should have ended up with a browser setting. but eu bureaucrats apparently don’t know the first thing about web standards (and why would they) so we get every single website in the world having to code a custom dialog, and billions of users having to click through them forever. this legislation is the eu cookie law writ large: well meaning, ill conceived, government overreach by bureaucrats who don’t r…

No, the EU knew that something like a DNT header could never work. And let's not forget: No one needs a cookie popup. If you don't track more than technically necessary, there's no need to get consent or inform the user. It's just that everyone likes to collect as much data as they can that these popups are necessary.
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