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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by moonchrome »

gentleman11 wrote: post #368
makeitdouble wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that’s really how it rolls out, doesn’t it also mean that Safari wasn’t viable on itself and nobody wanted to use it in the first place ? Apple is no underdog anymore, if their browser couldn‘t compete on its own merit I won’t be crying a river over it. Firefox, while mired with its own problems, is another story; but I don’t see Mozilla losing from this decision.

Safari is possibly the biggest competitor to chrome, since Firefox is falling out of use. It’s important for the ecosystem to have a strong competitor who isn’t dependent on google

>It’s important for the ecosystem to have a strong competitor who isn’t dependent on google

Why ? Seriously - this competition argument gets brought up and I see 0 benefit. There is almost no innovation in the low level aspects and the foundations are opensource with several tech giants contributing.

The only thing "competition" adds at this point is fragmentation, compatibility issues and slower feature adoption.

This idea that competition beats cooperation is silly - innovation in browser rendering and JS engines is mostly done - the only real innovative effort was Servo and that died - modern variants are there just for political/commercial reasons.

If every browser out there converted to Blink/V8 and development resources were focused the web would be better.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by goodpoint »

la64710 wrote: post #587
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Europe’s requirement of those pesky cookie notices have killed the joy of surfing the net. Every goddamn site has this stupid cookie popup show up. It is like playing whack-a-mole. They should have instead only allow necessary cookies and marketing and other cookies should be part of signing up for a specific service and not just visiting the website. The thought is noble but the implementation sucks.

> Europe’s requirement of those pesky cookie notices have killed the joy of surfing the net

This is like blaming the dentist for your tooth pain.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by d12bb »

unity1001 wrote: post #851
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #394

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> Use existing hardware and software features without competitive prejudice. E.g. NFC What this will mean for me as an iPhone user: instead of using Apple Pay which is seamlessly integrated in my phone, watch and desktop OS, I will instead have to use my bank's terrible HTML-based 'app' to perform contactless payments, making it 100 times less convenient. This probably will make me switch back to using my bank card.…

So your bank can have more funding, instead of Apple shaving it off up to 50%, and it is able to develop a neat React-based UI instead of the simple HTML ui you so strongly disdain...

sure they will..

PS: It's 0.10-0.15%, don't know where your 1/2 come from

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by ohgodplsno »

rvz wrote: post #172
alaric410 wrote: post #64

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Nonsense. You can't fight spam, criminal or hackers by restricting your ecosystem. Such measures only enable monopolies like Apple to make money at the expense of the consumer or competitors.

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Calling EU politicians tech bros is frankly hilarious, thanks for the laugh, your display of complete lack of knowledge on the subject is very entertaining.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by d12bb »

arrosenberg wrote: post #680
nemothekid wrote: post #178

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> You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. For some reason every Linux user assumes everyone is as smart as they are and anyone who doesn't take the time to learn whatever esoteric config file to manage their DE is a child that can't tell left from right. Somehow the decade of directed scams and proliferation of malware and spyware isn't a problem and it's the developers "right" to be able to turn…

> For some reason every Linux user assumes everyone is as smart as they are and anyone who doesn't take the time to learn whatever esoteric config file to manage their DE is a child that can't tell left from right. Notably, most of the non-technical users I am acquainted with manage to use Windows, which will also let you install any software package you want if you click continue on the warning.

Hm, why does my mom call me every few months for help with her Windows laptop, then? She never needed help with her phone, since she tossed the Android one for my old iPhone (ok, actually once, but that was a faulty charging cable)..

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by alaric410 »

arminsergiony wrote: post #878

If I were Apple, I'd sell an open developer phone that allowed users to override the default settings. So that when the inevitable "Apple has been hacked and is no better than Android" media driven hit pieces come out, Apple can point out that this is happening on the open developer phone, not the safe walled garden that most of us normal, non bleeding edge consumers carry in our pockets.. When you just want to use y…

Apple has been hacked and is no better than Android.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by ohgodplsno »

nemothekid wrote: post #178
bloppe wrote: post #81

It blows my mind how many people have bought into Apple's position on this. No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security. You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. If you're not confident in your ability to tell shady from legit, just stick to the App Store. Don't demand that Apple treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.

> You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. For some reason every Linux user assumes everyone is as smart as they are and anyone who doesn't take the time to learn whatever esoteric config file to manage their DE is a child that can't tell left from right. Somehow the decade of directed scams and proliferation of malware and spyware isn't a problem and it's the developers "right" to be able to turn…

Oh yes please, I would love to see Facebook do that. They're already in hot enough water with GDPR, doing this would absolutely nuke them out of existence in the EU.

I know it's a complicated concept to understand, but we have multiple sets of laws that are aimed at punishing exactly what you're saying. The DMA passing doesn't mean ePrivacy or GDPR is gone.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by alaric410 »

plandis wrote: post #251

One would think that if there is truly a Europe wide market for such an unlocked device a competitor should be able to challenge Apple and Google dominance. Europe could even subsidize it. But instead, it’s more engineering by bureaucrats. Why is Europe so afraid of competing in the open market?

This is opening the market. A few megacorps have created walled gardens that prevent competition. EU finally says "no more".

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by alaric410 »

SuperSandro2000 wrote: post #839
rpadovani wrote: post #32

Lovely. The EU is a behemoth that takes years to proceed, but I really like that they are still trying to fight for consumers' digital rights.

While at the same time being anti consumer and trying to pass chat control.

Chat control looks dead. (fingers crossed)

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by d12bb »

unity1001 wrote: post #859
vlozko wrote: post #104

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This is a very myopic view of what it’s like for the elderly and less tech savvy. Most aren’t capable of telling the difference and yet they constantly find themselves unknowingly getting scammed. I take it you’ve never had to clean out a horribly malware infested computer for a mother-in-law before?

The argument betrays itself: How will that elderly and less tech savvy find and install another app store into their iPhone. If they are not tech savvy enough to be able to decide something is scammy, they are not tech savvy enough to install a freaking app store in their phone.

To get this great new shiny "game" just follow these steps to install it on your iPhone: ..
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