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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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> How exactly does that work with end-to-end encryption? Exactly how we deal with everything else that works across platforms: standardization. We've done it at least once before (SSL/TLS), I'm sure these rich and "amazingly smart" companies can figure out how to achieve it once again. > Isn't there, again, some hardware security issues in play with that? Is there hardware security issues with accept CC details on th…

Ah, so now nobody can ever launch any new messaging features without reaching a consensus in a standardization body. Progress!

Nope, that's not how standardization works.

I'd refer you to the process of HTML/CSS/JavaScript if you want to see how it can work in a global manner that also works for innovation too (unless you'd argue that HTML/CSS/JavaScript is exactly the same in terms of "innovation" since they each first were created).

In short, the process is something like this: 1) a browser implements a new feature they think is useful 2) standard bodies start watching 3) another browser implements the same feature either the same way, or differently 4) standard bodies start working on a specification to unify the feature across browsers and OSes 5) Specification gets "blessed" and is now official recommendation 6) browsers modify their feature to be compliant with the specification

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#872

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Retaliate for what? There are zero rules and regulations in the US concerning these big behemoths. Those senate hearings are just laughingstock kinda theatricals.Just watch back the Microsoft Antitrust Depositions with Bill Gates.

"No vehicle from an auto manufacturer with annual global revenue exceeding $150B USD is eligible for EV credits unless they also offer a hybrid or electric vehicle with MSRP $27000 or less." Oh, only the European VW and Daimler would be impacted? Such a shame.

Horrible. They will just divert all the sales to China then.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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EU-based *aaS companies are practically nonexistent relative to US-based ones, so there's basically nothing holding them back from passing bills like this one gerrymandered to (i) companies with a global market cap above €75B, (ii) with 45 million European users, (iii) and an included web browser or messaging app. If they had companies satisfying those criteria, they'd certainly see more pushback. I personally like t…

Would it not be possible to spin off “iPhone Europe PLC” which is worth less than the threshold? If it were truly independent then Apple’s “global market cap” would be irrelevant, and Cupertino could collect via IP licensing in Luxembourg taxed at 5%. [edited for clarity, I think]

> Would it not be possible to spin off “iPhone Europe PLC” which is worth less than the threshold?

That kind of loophole-explotation floats only in common law. Not in civil law. The civil law would go down like a hammer on such heads.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#874

European democracy at its best. Proud to be European today.

this is democracy? Seems like extortion and protectionism to me. If this affected any European companies I would just call it anti-business, but instead it's clearly xenophobia.

> Seems like extortion and protectionism to me

Wait until you learn about the import-quotas that the US applies to every country that it trades with. Including those with 'free trade' agreements.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This facile response ignores that Apple Messages is a system, not just an encryption algorithm. Of particular concern is key management: who manages the keys that allow the messages to be decrypted? Currently, it's Apple. What this Act says is that Apple Messages must interop with any other messaging system. If you spin up a VM running an iMessage-compatible server on Hetzner, Apple Messages must interop with you and…

That only means that the Apple Messages model is outdated and a replacement is hereby being required. If Apple prefers lock-in over innovation, it's their problem, not the users'.

Is Signal's too, then? They also stated interop is no good.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#876

I do wish iPhones could use alternate browser engines and bypass the Apple 30% cut, but the fact I'm having to click through one of those stupid cookie dialogs on this page just leaves the bad taste in my mouth of how much the EU regulation screwed up the internet the last time they made a change like this. Not saying I want tracking cookies everywhere, but they should have just made tracking cookies illegal outright…

We need a privacy API that browsers agree on and websites would have to follow, when present. Uniform dialogs per browser for this crap, rather than unique per website.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#877

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“This website only works on Chrome.”

This is a serious issue that need to be solved directly, and not by carving out weird protected turfs for other monopolistic companies. In the current situation a ton of websites are already bailing out and shoving mobile apps to their users instead of actually addressing Safari.

I like apps. Native look&feel, less energy use, etc.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#878
If I were Apple, I'd sell an open developer phone that allowed users to override the default settings. So that when the inevitable "Apple has been hacked and is no better than Android" media driven hit pieces come out, Apple can point out that this is happening on the open developer phone, not the safe walled garden that most of us normal, non bleeding edge consumers carry in our pockets..

When you just want to use your phone, you don't have to read a 1000-word piece to figure out it's because some man installed some obvious spyware.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#879

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The problem with all of this shit is that the EU is only measuring sentiment from developers, not end users. End users are happy with Safari. Developers are the only ones who care about any of the rest of this.

Safari is today's IE no one wants that crap anymore.

Safari has better UI and less battery use on my Mac. On the iPhone and iPad it just has better UI, hard to compare battery use without engine alternative. I want that crap.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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What makes Safari a bad browser? Sometimes it feels like dev forums rate a browser entirely based on the dev tools. For the average user Safari behaves identically or slightly better (battery life, privacy defaults, integration with the OS for login and payments) then chrome and Firefox.

Extensions are garbage (tapermonkey specifically), it requires multiple redirects instead of allowing third party cookies which increases latency. NB: This is just the desktop version. The mobile version has been more or less fine for me.

If I'd like your crappy website to let third parties track me, I'd just enable third party cookies. I don't, so you're at fault here.

If an extension is garbage, blame the developer. The API is more or less the same.

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