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Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by time_to_smile »

danielvf wrote: post #80

I am thrilled about DALL-E, and the new terms of service. However, how they implemented the improved "diversity" is hilarious. Turns out that they randomly, silently modify your prompt text to append words like "black male" or "female". See https://twitter.com/jd_pressman/status/1549523790060605440 I don't know which emotion I feel more - applause at how glorious this hack is or tears at how ugly it is. Good luck to…

This is funny because I work on a team that is using GPT-3 and to fix a variety of issues we have with incorrect output we've just been having the engineering team prepend/append text to modify the query. As we encounter more problems the team keeps tacking on more text to the query.

This feels like a very hacky way to essentially reinvent programming badly.

My bet is that in a few years or so only a small cohort of engineering and product people will even remember Dall-E and GTP-3 and someone cringe at how we all thought this was going to be a big thing in the space.

There's are both really fascinating novelties, but at the end of the day that's all they are.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by mysterydip »

gnulinux wrote: post #145
Jerrrry wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a "problem," it's an unwanted shard of reality piercing through an ideological guise.

How's it NOT a problem? If I'm trying to produce "stock people images", and if it only gives me white men, it's clearly broken because when I ask for "people" I'm actually asking for "people". I'm having difficulty understanding how it can be considered to be working as intended, when it literally doesn't. Clearly, the software has substantial bias that gets in way of it accomplishing its task. If I want to produce "…

That's what Jerrrry is saying. Framing the reality of diversity in the world as a "problem" is wrong.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by simonw »

c0decracker wrote: post #43

Interesting. I got access couple weeks ago (was on waitlist since the initial announcement) and frankly as much as really want to be excited and like it, DALL-E ended up being a bit underwhelming. IMHO - often results that produced are of low quality (distorted images, or quite wacky representation of the query). Some styles of imagery are certainly a better fit for being generated by DALL-E, but as far as commercial…

This book has some very good, actionable advice on crafting prompts that get better results out of DALL-E: https://dallery.gallery/the-dalle-2-prompt-book/

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by minimaxir »

bhaney wrote: post #154
zikduruqe wrote: post #147

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This produces dramatically worse results in my experience.

Not worse, but different. It depends on the prompt but DALL-E mini/mega seems to do better then DALL-E 2 for certain types of absurd prompts, such as the ones in /r/weirddalle

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by TheFreim »

ketzo wrote: post #138
Jerrrry wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a "problem," it's an unwanted shard of reality piercing through an ideological guise.

serious question: in what way is that not a “problem?”

It's not a problem in a few ways, let me know what you think (feel free to ask for clarification).

1. The training data would've been the best way to get organic results, the input is where it'd be necessary to have representative samples of populations.

2. If the reason the model needs to be manipulated to include more "diversity" is that there wasn't enough "diversity" in the training set then its likely the results will be lower quality

3. People should be free to manipulate the results how they wish, a base model without arbitrary manipulations of "diversity" would be the best starting point to allow users to get the appropriate results

4. A "diverse" group of people depends on a variety of different circumstances, if their method of increasing it is as naive as some of the are claiming this could result in absurdities when generating historical images or images relating to specific locations/cultures where things will be LESS representative

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by numpad0 »

UmYeahNo wrote: post #139
kache_ wrote: post #114

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While their heart is in the right place, I'd like to challenge the idea that certain groups are so fragile that they don't understand that historically, there are more pictures of certain groups doing certain things. It's a hard problem for sure. But remember, the bias ends with the user using the tool. If I want a black scientist, I can just say "black scientist". Let me be mindful of the bias, until we have a gener…

>But remember, the bias ends with the user using the tool. If I want a black scientist, I can just say "black scientist". That is a really, really , narrow viewpoint. I think what people would prefer is that if you query "Scientist" that the images returned are as likely to be any combination of gender and race. It's not that a group is "fragile", it's that they have to specify race and gender at all, when that speci…

Kind of funny that NN tech is supposed to construct some upper dimensional understanding, yet realistically cannot be expected to be able to generate gender and race indeterminate portrayal of a scientist.

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Post by redox99 »

xnx wrote: post #76

I fully expect stock image sites to be swamped by DALL-E generated images that match popular terms (e.g. "business person shaking hands"). Generate the image for $0.15. Sell it for $1.00.

DALL-E 2 isn't good enough for such photorealistic pictures with humans as of yet however.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by Jerrrry »

gnulinux wrote: post #145
Jerrrry wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a "problem," it's an unwanted shard of reality piercing through an ideological guise.

How's it NOT a problem? If I'm trying to produce "stock people images", and if it only gives me white men, it's clearly broken because when I ask for "people" I'm actually asking for "people". I'm having difficulty understanding how it can be considered to be working as intended, when it literally doesn't. Clearly, the software has substantial bias that gets in way of it accomplishing its task. If I want to produce "…

That is clearly overfitting due to unrepresentative training data.

The "issue" is a different one: that training data - IE, reality, has _unwanted_ biases in it, because reality is biased.

Producing images of men when prompting for "trash collecting workers" should not be much of a surprise: 99% of garbage collection/refuse is handled by men. I doubt most will consider this a "problem," because of one's own bias, nobody cares about women being represented for a "shitty" job.

But ask for picture of CEOs, and then act surprised when most images are of white men? Only outrage, when proportionally, CEO's are, on average, white men.

The "problem" arises when we use these tools to make decisions and further affect society - it has the obvious issue of further entrenching stereotypical associations.

This is not that. Asking DALLE for a bunch of football players, would expectedly produce a huddled group of black men. No issue, because the NFL are disproportionately black men. No outrage, either.

Asking DALLE for a group of criminals, likewise, produces a group of black men. Outage! Except statistically, this is not a surprise, as a disproportionate amount of criminals are black men.

The "problem" is with reality being used as training data. The "problem" is with our reality, not the tooling.

Except in the cases where these toolings are being used to affect society - the obvious example being insurance ML algorithms. et al - we should strive to fix the issues present in reality, not hide them with handicapped training data, and malformed inputs.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by bemmu »

aantix wrote: post #168
bemmu wrote: post #58

I was supposed to be making a video game, but got a bit sidetracked when DALL·E came out and made this website on the side: http://dailywrong.com/ (yes I should get SSL). It's like The Onion, but all the articles are made with GPT-3 and DALL·E. I start with an interesting DALL·E image, then describe it to GPT-3 and ask it for an Onion-like article on the topic. The results are surprisingly good.

Parenting > "Gillette Releases a New Razor for Babies"

I loved how it just consistently decided that if babies have facial hair, it's always white fluff.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by xyzzyz »

bantou_41 wrote: post #162
danielvf wrote: post #80

I am thrilled about DALL-E, and the new terms of service. However, how they implemented the improved "diversity" is hilarious. Turns out that they randomly, silently modify your prompt text to append words like "black male" or "female". See https://twitter.com/jd_pressman/status/1549523790060605440 I don't know which emotion I feel more - applause at how glorious this hack is or tears at how ugly it is. Good luck to…

Diversity = black now? That’s even more racist.

Diversity has meant exactly that all the way since Bakke.
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