I was really enjoying using Dalle2 to take surrealist walks around the latent image space of human cultural production. I was using it as one might use Wikipedia researching the links between objects and their representation. Also just to generate suggestion for what to have for lunch. None of this was for anything of commercial value to me. What am I to do now, start to find ways to sell the images I'm outputting? Do I displace the freelance artists in the market who actually have real talent and ability to create images and compositions and who studied how use the tools of the trade. Does the income artists can make now get displaced by people using dalle? Then do people stop learning how to actually make art and we come to the end of new cultural production and just start remixing everything made untill now?
DALL·E now available in beta
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It also means there will possibly be another renaissance of fully automated, mass generated NFTs and tons of derivatives and remixes flooding the NFT market in an attempt to pump the NFT hype again. It doesn't matter, OpenAI wins anyway as these companies will pour hundreds of thousands into generated images. It seems that the NFT grift is about to be rebooted again, such that it isn't going to die that quickly. But…
NFTs were never limited by artwork availability - they are limited by wash-trading ability.
These high photorealistic images can be generated on a mass-scale, completely automated without a human which ultimately cuts the need for an artist to do that.
They will be replaced by DALL·E 2 for creating these illustrations, book covers, NFT variants, etc opening up the whole arena to anyone to do this themselves. All it takes is to describe what they want in text and less than a minute, the work is delivered as little as $15.
OpenAI still wins either way. If a crypto company goes to using DALL·E 2 to generate photorealistic NFTs, they won't stop them and they will take the money.
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So you actually _wanted_ images that perpetuate the biases of the world?
Unfortunately, the method OpenAI may be using to reduce bias (by adding words to the prompt unknown to the user) is a naive approach that can affect images unexpectedly and outside of the domain OpenAI intended: https://twitter.com/rzhang88/status/1549472829304741888 I have also seeing some cases where the bias correction may not be working at all, so who knows. And it's why transparancy is important.
What a fascinating hack. I mean, yeah, naive and simplistic and doesn't really do anything interesting with the model itself, but props to the person who was given the "make this more diverse" instruction and said "okay, what's the simplest thing that could possibly work? What if I just append some races and genders onto the end of the query string, would that mostly work?" and then it did! Was it a GOOD idea? Maybe not. But I appreciate the optimization.
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#114I am thrilled about DALL-E, and the new terms of service. However, how they implemented the improved "diversity" is hilarious. Turns out that they randomly, silently modify your prompt text to append words like "black male" or "female". See https://twitter.com/jd_pressman/status/1549523790060605440 I don't know which emotion I feel more - applause at how glorious this hack is or tears at how ugly it is. Good luck to…
it's a hard problem. at least they tried.
While their heart is in the right place, I'd like to challenge the idea that certain groups are so fragile that they don't understand that historically, there are more pictures of certain groups doing certain things.
It's a hard problem for sure. But remember, the bias ends with the user using the tool. If I want a black scientist, I can just say "black scientist".
Let me be mindful of the bias, until we have a generally intelligent system that can actually do it. I'm generally intelligent too, you know.
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it's a hard problem. at least they tried.
Honestly I would rather that they not try. I don't understand why a computer tool has to be held to a political standard.
It's not a political standard though. There is actual diversity in this world. Why wouldn't you want that in your product?
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#117> Reducing bias: We implemented a new technique so that DALL·E generates images of people that more accurately reflect the diversity of the world’s population. This technique is applied at the system level when DALL·E is given a prompt about an individual that does not specify race or gender, like “CEO.” Will it do it "more accurately" as they claim? As in, if 90% of CEOs are male, then the odds of a CEO being male i…
It's also funny that this likely won't 'unbias' any actual published images coming out of it. If 90% of the images in the world has a male CEO, then for whatever reason that's the image people will pick and choose from DALL-Es output. (Generalized to any unbiasing - i.e. they'll be debiased by humans.)
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#118A free alternative:
https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
Reminder that the OpenAI team claimed safety issues about releasing the weights. Now they’re charging, when the above link GPU time is being paid for by investor dollars. I guess sama must be hurting if he can only afford OpenAI credit packs for celebrities and his friends.
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#119I'm blown away by this: "Starting today, users get full usage rights to commercialize the images they create with DALL·E, including the right to reprint, sell, and merchandise. This includes images they generated during the research preview." I assumed this was going to be the sticking point for wider usage for a long time. They're now saying that you have full rights to sell Dall-E 2 creations?
I think they are reacting to competition. MidJourney is amazing, was easier to get into, gives you commercial rights, and frankly I found more fun to use and even better output in most instances.
Midjourney recently changed their terms of service and now the creators own the image and give a license back to Midjourney. Pretty cool.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK only people can own copyright (the monkey selfie case tested this), and machine-generated outputs don't count as creative work (you can't write an algorithm that generates every permutation of notes and claim you own every song[1]), so DALL-E-generated images are most likely copyright-free. I presume OpenAI only relies on terms of service to dictate what users are allowed to do, but they can't own the images, a…
The monkey selfie was not derived from millions of existing works, and that is the difference. If an artist has a well-known art style, and this algorithm was trained on it and can copy that style, would the artist have grounds to sue? I don't know.
> If an artist has a well-known art style, and this algorithm was trained on it and can copy that style, would the artist have grounds to sue? I don't know.
While nothing has been commercialized yet on the DALLE2 subreddit, I know that it can do Dave Choe's work remarkably well. I also saw Alex Gray's work to be close, but not really identical either. It wasn't as intricate as his work is.
It will be interesting if this takes off and you have a sort of Banksy effect take over where unless it's a physical piece of art it doesn't have much value and is only made all the better because of some sort polemic attached to it, eg Girl with balloon.