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Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by throwaway406382 »

manwe150 wrote: post #91
throwaway406382 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a throwaway because of the potential backlash...This paper is pure bull. They did a survey of 30k people and asked them about their experience and then said that the vaccine didn't cause anything and that we should trust our institutions. They didn't even have a control (unvaccinated) group! Just 30k vaccinated folks who responded to a survey about whether they perceived more/less bleeding, and such. I'm actuall…

How bad is it for health? This paper also notes that the virus itself is of great concern foremost, so any conclusion must be in comparison to the alternative (aka the control group): “Studies and anecdotal reports are already demonstrating that menstrual function may be disrupted long term [by the virus], particularly in those with long COVID (32–35)” It seems so many commenters here miss that sentence, and live in…

It is possible to take a finite duration and look at the unvaccinated+covid, unvaccinated+no-covid, vaccinated+covid, vaccinated+no-covid and see differences. And the signals a so large between unvaccinated and vaccinated you don't need much in the way of fancy stats.

Also consider that it wasn't until the late 90's that the flu vaccine was approved for pregnant women and they were still worried about it. So we have the original adverse event studies post flu vaccine and compare them to post covid vaccine.

You are right, there are lots of confounds and interactions, we are careful to handle that properly. We're a bunch of nerds who don't have a dog in the political fight, we just want to show the data.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by klipt »

nerdponx wrote: post #78
christkv wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the anglo-sphere they've lost the plot. It's hard to take a study that splits data into white and the rest seriously as a scientific study. I was unaware that africans, South Americans and Asians were significantly different to "white" people to make a difference needed to be pointed out. What exactly are they suggesting. That the vaccine was engineered to have a more negative effect on non-white women?

Medical outcomes are substantially and consistently different for different racial groups in the USA. It's in part a proxy for economic status. It makes sense to control for it.

Is it that hard to just collect data on economic status instead?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by manwe150 »

christkv wrote: post #87
manwe150 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably that has not been a primary concern, since other vaccines also have historically had regular boosters and haven’t seen that happen (referring to Tdap, rabies, or flu shots) Flu vaccine has historically also been around 25-50% effective, and is still recommended and paid for by insurance, since the benefit is measured positively to you. So there is some precedent for disappointing numbers still being promot…

Sure once a year for flu shots with different strains. This is the exact same protein again and again. Nothing like this has been done before outside of allergy vaccines from what my allergist told me who is to say at the very least skeptical about it.

Why would it be the same protein used then, if that happened? The booster trials for delta and omicron compared the advantages of changing the protein to using the same shot, and used the same shot because it was observed to work well in trials. Also, again, the tetanus and rabies vaccines have regular boosters, with exactly the same formulation. So what is it they claim hasn’t been done before and why?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by tiahura »

throwaway406382 wrote: post #69
in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

From a throwaway because of the potential backlash...This paper is pure bull. They did a survey of 30k people and asked them about their experience and then said that the vaccine didn't cause anything and that we should trust our institutions. They didn't even have a control (unvaccinated) group! Just 30k vaccinated folks who responded to a survey about whether they perceived more/less bleeding, and such. I'm actuall…

How do you explain the fact that the US birth rate dipped (barely) pre-vaccine and has crept back up post-vaccine?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/natality-dashboard.htm#

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by macinjosh »

lelandfe wrote: post #105
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #43

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Many people had concerns about the vaccine rollout. Not because we were worried about some 5G nanoparticle Bill Gates conspiracy nonsense but because of the potential unknown side effects. Doing a trial on a few hundred thousand and then rolling out to billions is like testing your changes locally and then pushing them straight to production. "But human bodies are not anything like software dev" I hear you say. You'r…

> because of the potential unknown side effects Without trying to inflame the rhetoric in this discussion (I feel like HN is one of the few places that this is possible) – will this be your stance on new vaccines and medicines going forward? "Potential unknown side effects" is a critique that can be levied against almost any medical approval process, but the FDA has had an excellent track record with vaccine safety o…

> the FDA has had an excellent track record with vaccine safety over the last ~70 years

Yeah, and they did this by going through a lot of detailed processes, study, and trial. Not by doing what was done in this case.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by loonster »

christkv wrote: post #52

I have to wonder that the insistence of boosting so often might lead to the inverse effect desensitising the body to the proteins just like what happens when you vaccinate against allergies, possibly leading to worse illness than if you did not boost. The weird insistence on anti-body levels is another weird thing, just plainly ignoring immune memory. I suspect that we are not seeing grave illness anymore in most of…

>I suspect that we are not seeing grave illness anymore in most of the population due to the immune naive population being very low and the few people dying now are in the traditional old age and immune compromised categories that also die by other respiratory viruses under similar circumstances.

I suspect part of the reason is hospitals are no longer killing their patients through ineffective protocols.

Remember the big shortage of ventilators, and how the government is going to get GM to build them. Then it quietly went away because ventilators were killing patients.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by koolba »

throwaway406382 wrote: post #69
in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

From a throwaway because of the potential backlash...This paper is pure bull. They did a survey of 30k people and asked them about their experience and then said that the vaccine didn't cause anything and that we should trust our institutions. They didn't even have a control (unvaccinated) group! Just 30k vaccinated folks who responded to a survey about whether they perceived more/less bleeding, and such. I'm actuall…

How would you have a control for a study like this when vaccinations were all but mandatory for large swathe of the population? You’re going to give a placebo vaccine and placebo vaccine card?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by Zigurd »

iratewizard wrote: post #38
ellisv wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that the vaccine itself is out of your system within a few days, and if effective begin triggering an immune response, I don’t think there’s not much reason to monitor for safety beyond that point.

Thalidomide is out of your system by your first grandchild.

Thalidomide caused birth defects because it is in your system during pregnancy. Thalidomide is still in use to treat leprosy. Thalidomide does not cause second-generation birth defects.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by combyn8tor »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #71

The likely alternative is the people making the decisions knew it would harm or even kill some people, and still went ahead with it. And just set up a circle of deniability, and legal immunity in the event of any future litigation. This includes pfizer. In Ontario the politicians said they are following the advice of chief medical officer in implementing the lockdowns. But there's a moment of dark political satire, w…

> "I just read what they tell me to"

Isn't it possible they're just talking about what their media advisers wrote for them? It doesn't mean they didn't set the agenda.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

bamboozled wrote: post #74
airza wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that most vaccines affect menstruation; for obvious reasons the uterus is a hotbed of immune activity in the human body.

I think the warning on the packet should've said that?

People didn't think the public could be trusted with that level of nuance.

Turns out the public really doesn't like it when you treat them as idiots and the former group reaped what they sowed.

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