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Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Is the reference to "people" instead of "women", in "currently and formerly menstruating people", a new trend in academia?

In this study in particular, the fact that there was breakthrough menstrual bleeding for trans men and others who have been hormonally preventing their periods for years was one of the particularly interesting findings, imo.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Is the reference to "people" instead of "women", in "currently and formerly menstruating people", a new trend in academia?

It's the anglo-sphere they've lost the plot. It's hard to take a study that splits data into white and the rest seriously as a scientific study. I was unaware that africans, South Americans and Asians were significantly different to "white" people to make a difference needed to be pointed out.

What exactly are they suggesting. That the vaccine was engineered to have a more negative effect on non-white women?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

I think (at least) three big problems intersect here: 1. the sci/med establishment seems to have some ongoing ~bias issues that I don't fully understand when it comes to listening to and taking lay people seriously (especially women) 2. it's hard to do complex synthesis of relative risks and rewards across different studies measuring different things for different reasons 3. we've had a lot of uninformed and maliciou…

> To toss in the requisite anecdata, my sister got pregnant this past fall. She was due for a booster but FUD about it hurting the baby swayed her mind. She got omicron in late December, post-covid complications nearly took her and the baby in late February, and she had to live in the hospital until she delivered in June.

The tricky thing with this though is that, what if there is an unknown side effect due to lack of research that could have hurt the baby (how many years of research have boosters had?), and she didn't experience that side effect but unwittingly chose a different evil?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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> long after covid is any sort threat whatsoever People dying and people with - and still getting- long COVID would probably disagree with that statement.

Here again a blatant lack of clarity around the issue. Who are dying and at what rate? What are their comorbidities? What is the vax status of those that are dying, presumably many have taken the vaccine anyways yes? But you do you, is the point. I'm perfectly fine with my choice of not taking it: I'm not overweight, I lift weights and exercise regularly, have low bodyfat percent, I get plenty of sunlight for Vitamin…

Yes and this insanity is literally keeping large numbers of people from engaging in parts of society. Some conferences, meetups, and events still require attendees to be fully vaccinated with no testing option. I was unable to attend an event just last week for this reason. It's stunning.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Covid shots do not prevent infection or transmission. 2. Since Delta, both vaxxed and unvaxxed cases have the same viral load. 3. Since December at least, boosted and vaxxed have higher RATE per 100k of covid infections. So whatever benefit one gets is individual benefit only and not getting others sick in any different way as the vaxxed folks do.

> 1. Covid shots do not prevent infection or transmission. It does look like there's about a 20-30% reduction of infection from random surveys of the population and from nucleocapsid seroprevalence assays; transmission-once-infected is very difficult to measure, but it would be surprising if it did not have some effect. > 2. Since Delta, both vaxxed and unvaxxed cases have the same viral load. There's a key fallacy h…

> It does look like there's about a 20-30% reduction of infection from random surveys of the population and from nucleocapsid seroprevalence assays; transmission-once-infected is very difficult to measure, but it would be surprising if it did not have some effect.

You are responding to a practical concern with a theoretical counter. But practically speaking the vaccine doesn't change the picture at all. The situation pre-vaccine was COVID was going to spread like wildfire after any lockdown attempt ended and everyone was going to be exposed to it. The situation post-vaccine, even with that reduction in infection rates, was the same.

Ditto speed, since this is an exponential process that reduction won't have an especially material effect on when everyone gets COVID.

We ran a natural experiment on this in Australia [0] - having a highly vaccinated population didn't appear to have any impact at all on COVID transmission rate or reach in who gets infected. The numbers are not convincing that the vaccine did anything for transmissions. The effect of personal protection seems to explain all the benefits of the vaccine.

[0] https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_NSW.html

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. That was only true before Delta. When Delta came, the viral load became the same between vaxxed and unvaxxed folks and combined with waning immunity of 3-6 months, most people were basically "unvaxxed" with respect to transmission by fall. Omicron took it even further where since December, in Ontario, boosted and vaxxed folks have had higher rate per 100k of covid infections. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lan…

> 1. That was only true before Delta. Posting a disputed study that I criticized to try and refute me, when I posted important 2022 followup data to viral shedding based on actual infectivity rather than just RNA copies indicates you either didn't read my comment or didn't understand it. > 3. It is true and the government admits that boosted and vaxxed have higher rates. Ontario source: I just knew you were going to…

How’s that study disputed?

That study is not alone either. NEJM has similar studies too.

Your link seems to be an outlier. Denmark, UK, Scotland, and other provinces in Canada also show the same higher rates in boosted and fully vaxxed than unvaxxed. Walgreens data for US also shows this. Look at page 3 of:

https://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.j...

Canadian government seroprevalence data also shows that between December 2021 and May 2022, there were at least 17.5 million infections. This is in a population of 38 million. This was despite extremely high vax rates.

So, how exactly did the vaccine prevent infection and transmission? Vaxxed folks were allowed to enjoy services with a false sense of security and spread Covid to others while unvaxxed folks were denied from society.

Please don’t resolve to ad hominem attacks on hacker news.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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> long after covid is any sort threat whatsoever People dying and people with - and still getting- long COVID would probably disagree with that statement.

i took all three shots and got covid about two weeks ago. it was HARSH. no sense of smell, no sense of taste, 3 days with high-ish fever (39C), the body ache was crazy bad and worse of all: brain fog. i managed to avoid going to the hospital, but barely. and that's with 3 shots. i'm almost sure i would be in an ICU if i didn't get any shots.

> and that's with 3 shots. i'm almost sure i would be in an ICU if i didn't get any shots.

How could we prove this hypothesis?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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I have to wonder that the insistence of boosting so often might lead to the inverse effect desensitising the body to the proteins just like what happens when you vaccinate against allergies, possibly leading to worse illness than if you did not boost. The weird insistence on anti-body levels is another weird thing, just plainly ignoring immune memory. I suspect that we are not seeing grave illness anymore in most of…

Presumably that has not been a primary concern, since other vaccines also have historically had regular boosters and haven’t seen that happen (referring to Tdap, rabies, or flu shots)

Flu vaccine has historically also been around 25-50% effective, and is still recommended and paid for by insurance, since the benefit is measured positively to you. So there is some precedent for disappointing numbers still being promoted for their small estimated benefits in net.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

From a throwaway because of the potential backlash...This paper is pure bull. They did a survey of 30k people and asked them about their experience and then said that the vaccine didn't cause anything and that we should trust our institutions. They didn't even have a control (unvaccinated) group! Just 30k vaccinated folks who responded to a survey about whether they perceived more/less bleeding, and such.

I'm actually working (as a computational mathematician) with an OBGYN and a few other doctors on a paper on this topic right now. We're using real data and a control and doing real Bayesian stats and all of that. But the tragic thing is, we don't need to get fancy. There's so much signal that the vaccine is bad for women's reproductive health that it really is obvious. I hope we can find an uncaptured journal to get it published in.

This paper is pure propaganda that's toeing the line about vaccine safety. It's idea laundering so they can later point to an article in "Science" showing that it's safe.

I'm so sad that Science (the journal) as fallen so far and is so captured.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

There were several posters on HN pointing out menstrual cycles anecdotes last year and they were largely down voted and possibly shadowbanned. You don't even need censors anymore when the majority decides what is acceptable thought.
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