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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by planarhobbit »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #43
in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

Many people had concerns about the vaccine rollout. Not because we were worried about some 5G nanoparticle Bill Gates conspiracy nonsense but because of the potential unknown side effects. Doing a trial on a few hundred thousand and then rolling out to billions is like testing your changes locally and then pushing them straight to production. "But human bodies are not anything like software dev" I hear you say. You'r…

> Biology is way more complicated and we know less about the mechanics of our own bodies than the computers we designed.

We don’t know much about that either, to be fair.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by christkv »

I have to wonder that the insistence of boosting so often might lead to the inverse effect desensitising the body to the proteins just like what happens when you vaccinate against allergies, possibly leading to worse illness than if you did not boost.

The weird insistence on anti-body levels is another weird thing, just plainly ignoring immune memory.

I suspect that we are not seeing grave illness anymore in most of the population due to the immune naive population being very low and the few people dying now are in the traditional old age and immune compromised categories that also die by other respiratory viruses under similar circumstances.

Reading the science so much is fumbling in the blind (over 2 years into this). They are still pushing for under 5s to be vaccinated in some countries even though at the efficacy of the vaccine is less than 40% something that would be considered a failure in any other vaccine development and knowing the groups it he lowest risk group there is.

And before you call me anti-vaxer I had two doses of Pfizer and have had covid 3 times.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

#53

Post by busymom0 »

mlyle wrote: post #40
busymom0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Covid shots do not prevent infection or transmission. 2. Since Delta, both vaxxed and unvaxxed cases have the same viral load. 3. Since December at least, boosted and vaxxed have higher RATE per 100k of covid infections. So whatever benefit one gets is individual benefit only and not getting others sick in any different way as the vaxxed folks do.

> 1. Covid shots do not prevent infection or transmission. It does look like there's about a 20-30% reduction of infection from random surveys of the population and from nucleocapsid seroprevalence assays; transmission-once-infected is very difficult to measure, but it would be surprising if it did not have some effect. > 2. Since Delta, both vaxxed and unvaxxed cases have the same viral load. There's a key fallacy h…

1. That was only true before Delta. When Delta came, the viral load became the same between vaxxed and unvaxxed folks and combined with waning immunity of 3-6 months, most people were basically "unvaxxed" with respect to transmission by fall. Omicron took it even further where since December, in Ontario, boosted and vaxxed folks have had higher rate per 100k of covid infections.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...

3. It is true and the government admits that boosted and vaxxed have higher rates. Ontario source:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220228051509/http://covid-19.o...

https://web.archive.org/web/20220331081902/http://covid-19.o...

Here's how it looks:

https://imgur.com/a/H4ErmyC

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by busymom0 »

jamroom wrote: post #47
busymom0 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Covid vax does not prevent long covid: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/25/long-covid-... 2. Healthy young people under 50 or even 60 were not dying or getting hospitalized. Whatever risk they want to take, they should be able to take it without mandates. Since the vax does not prevent infection or transmission, one is only taking individual risk and not affecting others.

Specific to the US which states had vaccine mandates?

I live in Canada. Here, unvaxxed weren't even allowed to air travel domestically. Nor did they recognize a negative PCR test or past infection natural immunity.

Compassionate grounds such as taking care of sick family member, funeral etc were also not exempted.

Everyone who were COVID+ despite being vaxxed were allowed to fly, go to gym, restaurant etc. Meanwhile, an unvaxxed person wasn't allowed to do the same even if they could show a negative PCR test.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by brightball »

slg wrote: post #24
in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

This lack of foresight is not something specific to this vaccine. It is the male bias ingrained in most western medicine. Due to fear of how experimental medicines will impact fertility and pregnancy, males are usually overrepresented in clinical trials which makes female specific side effects much harder to detect.

I'd accept the male bias approach for almost anything except the Covid vax.

There was a huge segment of society angrily screaming at everyone that everything was perfectly safe, if you didn't take it you were anti-vax and wanted to kill grandma. It was absolutely insanity on every social media channel. I'm sure some nuanced bits were lost in the noise, but it was virtually impossible to openly discuss even hesitation to vaccinate, much less complications.

We've heard from 2 local people in our small community who had family members die within 24 hours of vaccination. They were afraid to talk about it because of the blow back that came from anyone mentioning complications. A scary side of a lot of people came out and it's permanently affected my perception of a great many.

Maybe there was a male bias in the clinical trials, but I have a hard time believing any information about complications would have been released or accepted at that time.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by bsaul »

in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

The problem now is that so many people, in so many fields, relayed that "everything's safe, if you disagree or dare casting doubts you're an a ti-science sociopath", that it's going to be super super hard for them to admit they were wrong.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by [deleted] »

mlyle wrote: post #40
busymom0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Covid shots do not prevent infection or transmission. 2. Since Delta, both vaxxed and unvaxxed cases have the same viral load. 3. Since December at least, boosted and vaxxed have higher RATE per 100k of covid infections. So whatever benefit one gets is individual benefit only and not getting others sick in any different way as the vaxxed folks do.

> 1. Covid shots do not prevent infection or transmission. It does look like there's about a 20-30% reduction of infection from random surveys of the population and from nucleocapsid seroprevalence assays; transmission-once-infected is very difficult to measure, but it would be surprising if it did not have some effect. > 2. Since Delta, both vaxxed and unvaxxed cases have the same viral load. There's a key fallacy h…

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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by mlyle »

busymom0 wrote: post #53
mlyle wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Covid shots do not prevent infection or transmission. It does look like there's about a 20-30% reduction of infection from random surveys of the population and from nucleocapsid seroprevalence assays; transmission-once-infected is very difficult to measure, but it would be surprising if it did not have some effect. > 2. Since Delta, both vaxxed and unvaxxed cases have the same viral load. There's a key fallacy h…

1. That was only true before Delta. When Delta came, the viral load became the same between vaxxed and unvaxxed folks and combined with waning immunity of 3-6 months, most people were basically "unvaxxed" with respect to transmission by fall. Omicron took it even further where since December, in Ontario, boosted and vaxxed folks have had higher rate per 100k of covid infections. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lan…

> 1. That was only true before Delta.

Posting a disputed study that I criticized to try and refute me, when I posted important 2022 followup data to viral shedding based on actual infectivity rather than just RNA copies indicates you either didn't read my comment or didn't understand it.

> 3. It is true and the government admits that boosted and vaxxed have higher rates. Ontario source:

I just knew you were going to point to the Ontario data from Mar-Apr. This is why I said in a couple places they popped above for a couple data points. Are you deliberately being obtuse?

Compare to basically any other data series from any other time; e.g. my locale:

https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-case-rates-vaccination-...

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by nradov »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #34
PKop wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here again a blatant lack of clarity around the issue. Who are dying and at what rate? What are their comorbidities? What is the vax status of those that are dying, presumably many have taken the vaccine anyways yes? But you do you, is the point. I'm perfectly fine with my choice of not taking it: I'm not overweight, I lift weights and exercise regularly, have low bodyfat percent, I get plenty of sunlight for Vitamin…

My under 40 triathlete friend with no comorbidities who wound up in the ICU for a month and needed two surgeries to drain his lungs would beg to differ. Or my buddy down the block under 40 with no cormorbities who is now on beta blockers for long term Covid. As would folks like my Dad who the vaccine and first booster didn't work on due to his suppressed immune system from receiving my kidney.

With billions of cases around the world there will always be some outliers, but those are irrelevant for decision making. What does the data show?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by planarhobbit »

slg wrote: post #24
in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

This lack of foresight is not something specific to this vaccine. It is the male bias ingrained in most western medicine. Due to fear of how experimental medicines will impact fertility and pregnancy, males are usually overrepresented in clinical trials which makes female specific side effects much harder to detect.

In my social circle it was women that were the most vocal on both sides of the issue. The men were mostly quiet and going along with whatever the wife or whoever wanted.
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