When people first talked about it, I was hearing scientists saying that both other viruses and vaccines often change periods, and thus it wasn’t surprising/alarming
Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
This study began in April 2021 and the paper was published in July 2022. Presuming that the amount of time spent was necessary to thoroughly gather, review and document the findings, what would you have wanted done differently?
These side effects are not rare at all. These side effects should have been caught in the original vaccine trials. The fact that it comes out now tells you something went very wrong in the trials. In a functioning science, a careful postmortem of the vaccine trials would be in order.
Perhaps you already know, but initial vaccine trials are not performed against menstruation age (aka likely to become pregnant) women. It is considered medically unethical to do so. That is an obvious double edged sword:
1. It prevents birth defects from occurring with trial participants, because this product has not yet been fully studied and approved.
2. It reduces the initial knowledge of any female-specific issues with the product, and particularly limits knowledge around pregnancy issues.
https://www.path.org/articles/why-are-pregnant-people-left-o...
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#23> long after covid is any sort threat whatsoever People dying and people with - and still getting- long COVID would probably disagree with that statement.
Here again a blatant lack of clarity around the issue. Who are dying and at what rate? What are their comorbidities? What is the vax status of those that are dying, presumably many have taken the vaccine anyways yes?
But you do you, is the point. I'm perfectly fine with my choice of not taking it: I'm not overweight, I lift weights and exercise regularly, have low bodyfat percent, I get plenty of sunlight for Vitamin D and immune support. I do not need the vaccine.
This mentality of extreme safetyism applied indiscriminately even now is insane. Are you going to take covid boosters for the rest of your life? The disease is going to be continually weakened and become just another coronavirus. The rest of us will move on with our lives. Quite simply, I'm not worried about Covid at all. Can you say the same about the long term prospects of endless boosters on your body? I sure couldn't.
Tell me now how 100% confident you are there are no side effects because the propaganda experts and drug companies told you so, so we can come back to it in 6 months when more side effects start being discovered and posted here on HN...
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#24As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…
This lack of foresight is not something specific to this vaccine. It is the male bias ingrained in most western medicine. Due to fear of how experimental medicines will impact fertility and pregnancy, males are usually overrepresented in clinical trials which makes female specific side effects much harder to detect.
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#25this is a good start
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
These side effects are not rare at all. These side effects should have been caught in the original vaccine trials. The fact that it comes out now tells you something went very wrong in the trials. In a functioning science, a careful postmortem of the vaccine trials would be in order.
Perhaps you already know, but initial vaccine trials are not performed against menstruation age (aka likely to become pregnant) women. It is considered medically unethical to do so. That is an obvious double edged sword: 1. It prevents birth defects from occurring with trial participants, because this product has not yet been fully studied and approved. 2. It reduces the initial knowledge of any female-specific issue…
This also affected postmenopausal women who were included in the trials. To quote the paper: "66% of postmenopausal people reported breakthrough bleeding."
Then of course, menstruation age and pregnant women should not be told the vaccine is safe for them, as it was never tested on them. Similar to other pharmaceuticals, it should only be recommend after very careful consideration.
For example, the Tick-Borne Encephalitis Vaccine has a track record of decades, but still, the recommendation in pregnancy is [1] "The vaccine appears to be safe during pregnancy, but because of insufficient data the vaccine is only recommended during pregnancy and breastfeeding when it is considered urgent to achieve protection against TBE infection and after careful consideration of risks versus benefits."
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick-borne_encephalitis_vaccin...
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#27> long after covid is any sort threat whatsoever People dying and people with - and still getting- long COVID would probably disagree with that statement.
Here again a blatant lack of clarity around the issue. Who are dying and at what rate? What are their comorbidities? What is the vax status of those that are dying, presumably many have taken the vaccine anyways yes? But you do you, is the point. I'm perfectly fine with my choice of not taking it: I'm not overweight, I lift weights and exercise regularly, have low bodyfat percent, I get plenty of sunlight for Vitamin…
> Who are dying and at what rate?
Mostly the very old, at this point; though I'm in my 40s where the rate starts to tick up. But beyond that, there's the risk of long term morbidity. My niece was early 20's, active, in good health, with no comorbidities and is now pseudo-disabled. The vaccine only removes about 30% of the risk of this type of outcome, but still that alone is worth it.
> What is the vax status of those that are dying, presumably many have taken the vaccine anyways yes?
Looks like people who have taken the vaccine have about 6-10% of the risk of death of those who haven't, controlling for comorbidities.
> Are you going to take covid boosters for the rest of your life?
A lot of us might-- though I've got a fair bit of hope that we come up with something better in the next couple of years. I will do my best to avoid infection in the meantime.
> The disease is going to be continually weakened and become just another coronavirus.
Viral selection is complicated. Yes, in the very long term, many viruses end up becoming less virulent, but others go in the other direction.
> Can you say the same about the long term prospects of endless boosters on your body? I sure couldn't.
I'm pretty dang confident that I can bound the risk from the vaccine to be much lower than the risk from COVID infection.
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#28> long after covid is any sort threat whatsoever People dying and people with - and still getting- long COVID would probably disagree with that statement.
Here again a blatant lack of clarity around the issue. Who are dying and at what rate? What are their comorbidities? What is the vax status of those that are dying, presumably many have taken the vaccine anyways yes? But you do you, is the point. I'm perfectly fine with my choice of not taking it: I'm not overweight, I lift weights and exercise regularly, have low bodyfat percent, I get plenty of sunlight for Vitamin…
> But you do you, is the point
I've never understood this type of selfishness. If you get sick you will, on average, infect another 2-3 people. It's not just about you.
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#29> long after covid is any sort threat whatsoever People dying and people with - and still getting- long COVID would probably disagree with that statement.
Here again a blatant lack of clarity around the issue. Who are dying and at what rate? What are their comorbidities? What is the vax status of those that are dying, presumably many have taken the vaccine anyways yes? But you do you, is the point. I'm perfectly fine with my choice of not taking it: I'm not overweight, I lift weights and exercise regularly, have low bodyfat percent, I get plenty of sunlight for Vitamin…
While I sorta tend to agree with you, this is a _RESULT_ of people refusing to take the vaccines (or do full lockdowns/wear masks/etc). Like the original SARs strains it should have been possible to eradicate through strong public health measures, one of which was vaccination.
So, we can shrug this one off, because in the end it _only_ kills a percent or so of people, overwhelmingly already infirm or elderly.
We may not be so lucky the next time, and this attitude _will_ get us in trouble when that happens.
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#30"Vaccine trial protocols do not typically monitor for major adverse events for more than 7 days" I am stunned by this. Seven days? Is there really no reason to think that a vaccine candidate might have adverse effects more than a week later?
Given that the vaccine itself is out of your system within a few days, and if effective begin triggering an immune response, I don’t think there’s not much reason to monitor for safety beyond that point.