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Yes, however BA.5 is another beast. Post infection immunity lasts in the order of weeks it would appear.
Immunity to infection ≠ immunity to serious disease. The epitopes that drive long-lived memory are fairly well conserved.
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> This is the wrong discussion - what's needed is a vaccine that actually lasts for more than 6 months before immunity fades. I think your idea is what OP is discussing with “universal COVID vaccines” — generating broad immunity that new variants can’t escape so quickly.
The loss of immunity is not due to variants. The immune system itself simply starts forgetting.
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Boosters have been available for nearly a year; vaccines for 5-11's for ~6 months. I think the booster rate is a reasonable sign that trust in "the science" has been lost - why do you think such a large % of people who initially "followed the science" (and got 2 doses) chose not to "follow the science" and get a booster? (Again, keeping in mind boosters have been widely available since late 2021)
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As I mentioned in another comment, the President of the United States literally said that if you take the vaccine, you won't get Covid, verbatim. To your broader point - I think skepticism about the efficacy of the Covid vaccine is a very different (and rapidly evolving) thing than traditional anti-vaxx rhetoric. If you don't think public trust has declined - why did fewer than 50% of people who got 2 doses go on to…
The previous president suggested some sort of experimental bleach-based antiviral treatment regime was under development. And you want to ding this one for trying to persuade people to take a vaccine?
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The president of the United States literally said "You're not going to get Covid if you've had these vaccinations" - https://youtu.be/VArXfQU--LA?t=21 It's likely the vaccines reduced the spread of the virus temporarily, but it certainly wasn't very long-lasting. The efficacy waned quickly, even against the original strains/Alpha/Delta - take a look at case rates in Israel (first heavily vaccinated country) through m…
Remember Delta wasn't even around until late summer. Biden's speech was barely an exaggeration at the time when we were dealing with the original strain. Was it 100% effective at preventing all infection entirely? No. It was 100% effective in preventing severe symptoms, hospitalization, and death, and was 95% effective in preventing symptoms entirely. 95% reduction in infection and 100% reduction in death is close en…
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What about the CDC saying that "vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick"? https://youtu.be/uKf8dVxOy0s
And this was mostly true from the original strain back in early 2021. The vaccine reduced the ability to contract and spread the virus dramatically. The chances of contracting and spreading the original strain, if you were fully vaccinated, was close enough to zero to say it basically wasn't happening. Delta obviously changed that, and omicron has changed it much more.
Always coming back with the weasel words after lies. This is why the one side can not be trusted at all. They always lie and distort the truth.
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I thought nobody was forced to take the vaccine?
We are forced to in Australia. I was barred from taking exams this semester since I didn’t have the vaccine. Others lose their jobs. There is no freedom of choice there. It’s a gun wrapped in a blanket.
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> It's also unpatented and cheap All of these vaccines are cheap.
> All of these vaccines are cheap. Not if you have to take them several times a year until the end of your life
Let me do the math...
$0+$0 = $0
Seems pretty cheap to me.
Maybe if you mean for gov who pays, but even then, in terms of health care budget, its still quite cheap, to the point that optimizing on price seems like the wrong thing to do right now.
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> All of these vaccines are cheap. Not if you have to take them several times a year until the end of your life
Really, because: Let me do the math... $0+$0 = $0 Seems pretty cheap to me. Maybe if you mean for gov who pays, but even then, in terms of health care budget, its still quite cheap, to the point that optimizing on price seems like the wrong thing to do right now.