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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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What would you consider to be "taking an insane risk WRT Covid" ?

The majority of prevailing attitudes and behaviors in Utah and Texas are good examples of what I consider to be a total disregard for public health. Again, this is just me, some individual on HN who doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things.

What are those attitudes and behaviors, exactly?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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> The urgency that prevailed in 2020 has evaporated.

I know parents of young children who are extremely disappointed that it took less than a year to trial and approve the first COVID-19 vaccine for adults, and then a full year and a half to trial and approve the first COVID-19 vaccine for children under 5.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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I hope not, because I don't think we will be given a choice on whether we want to take it or not, and the last booster I had in December wrecked me. Within 20 minutes I was yawning non stop, one yawn after till the point I was gasping for air. eventually my whole body was in pain for about 3 days, my resting heart rate was over 100 (60-65 is normal for me) and my oxygen levels was down to 90. 6 weeks later I caught o…

I thought nobody was forced to take the vaccine?

We are forced to in Australia. I was barred from taking exams this semester since I didn’t have the vaccine. Others lose their jobs. There is no freedom of choice there. It’s a gun wrapped in a blanket.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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> It's also unpatented and cheap All of these vaccines are cheap.

But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude! The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods to hurt other vaccines (even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public).

> even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public)

Can you point me again to Pfizer's public data about the mRNA trials? Because I'm pretty sure it was never shared.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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> It's also unpatented and cheap All of these vaccines are cheap.

But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude! The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods to hurt other vaccines (even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public).

$20 times a billion people times multiple doses is a lot of money.

And I think it's more than a billion people...

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

> So much damage has been done to public trust Anti-vaxxers aren't new. What we have here is an unhealthy mix of exceptionalism, anti-intellectualism and contrarianism. There is a psychological comfort in believing you' can see through the [Big Lie/Conspiracy]. Prior to Covid it was autism and vaccine. When was the last time you heard about that? Before Covid. Why? Because we've moved on to another vaccine to be skep…

You literally ignored all of the parent’s points about wildly changing promises and narratives and inconsistencies to make this for into your story about this just being about an “ unhealthy mix of exceptionalism, anti-intellectualism and contrarianism”.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

As an American with very little appetite for catching Covid, I'll be first in line for a universal covid vaccine.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Not at all. Just one example, flu vaccines have never been 100% effective in preventing disease - more like 40-60%. And flu patients who did receive the vaccine have better outcomes.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies....

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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post #66

I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

> So much damage has been done to public trust Anti-vaxxers aren't new. What we have here is an unhealthy mix of exceptionalism, anti-intellectualism and contrarianism. There is a psychological comfort in believing you' can see through the [Big Lie/Conspiracy]. Prior to Covid it was autism and vaccine. When was the last time you heard about that? Before Covid. Why? Because we've moved on to another vaccine to be skep…

As I mentioned in another comment, the President of the United States literally said that if you take the vaccine, you won't get Covid, verbatim.

To your broader point - I think skepticism about the efficacy of the Covid vaccine is a very different (and rapidly evolving) thing than traditional anti-vaxx rhetoric.

If you don't think public trust has declined - why did fewer than 50% of people who got 2 doses go on to get a booster? What changed for them?

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