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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Do they magically appear at your house with no addition driving involved? (Sorry, that came off snarkier than I intended. Online ordering of food just kind of outsources the driving, doesn’t reduce it. Different maybe for delivery trucks that serve multiple houses per trip.)

Not magically, but if you have one delivery vehicle making a route by n addresses, could that not be more efficient than n independent round trips?

could be, isn't though.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

No official body has ever said "you will not get covid if you get the vaccine". Even the earliest trial results said "you will not be hospitalized or die if you get the vaccine", not that you won't get covid. And at the time, that was true because we were dealing with the original strain. Nothing else you said is untrue either. The vaccine drastically reduced the spread of the virus. I'm not sure what you're getting…

The president of the United States literally said "You're not going to get Covid if you've had these vaccinations" - https://youtu.be/VArXfQU--LA?t=21

It's likely the vaccines reduced the spread of the virus temporarily, but it certainly wasn't very long-lasting. The efficacy waned quickly, even against the original strains/Alpha/Delta - take a look at case rates in Israel (first heavily vaccinated country) through mid-late 2021 (before Omicron).

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#53
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> It's also unpatented and cheap All of these vaccines are cheap.

But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude! The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods to hurt other vaccines (even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public).

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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#54
post #37

I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

No official body has ever said "you will not get covid if you get the vaccine". Even the earliest trial results said "you will not be hospitalized or die if you get the vaccine", not that you won't get covid. And at the time, that was true because we were dealing with the original strain. Nothing else you said is untrue either. The vaccine drastically reduced the spread of the virus. I'm not sure what you're getting…

Wrong on all accounts. The early communication about the vaccine was all about preventing infections. You are trying to rewrite History.

Back in 2020, press release from Pfizer:

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

> "Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group. Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and ethnicity demographics; observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94%"

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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There are studies comparing the protection offered by vaccination vs natural infection, so there's no need to draw conclusions from a single anecdote. Obviously when you're just looking at a single case the results will be dominated by behaviour and luck around exposure, not the degree of immunity.

Not extensive studies.

Certainly they are more extensive than your sample set of 1.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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post #37

I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

No official body has ever said "you will not get covid if you get the vaccine". Even the earliest trial results said "you will not be hospitalized or die if you get the vaccine", not that you won't get covid. And at the time, that was true because we were dealing with the original strain. Nothing else you said is untrue either. The vaccine drastically reduced the spread of the virus. I'm not sure what you're getting…

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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

Your extrapolations from the cited metrics make no sense. People are less interested in the currently available vaccines because they don't protect against the current dominant strain (BA.5).

> People are less interested in the currently available vaccines because they don't protect against the current dominant strain (BA.5).

That's not what the CDC is saying at all.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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post #24

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> It's also unpatented and cheap All of these vaccines are cheap.

But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude! The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods to hurt other vaccines (even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public).

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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Boosters have been available for nearly a year; vaccines for 5-11's for ~6 months. I think the booster rate is a reasonable sign that trust in "the science" has been lost - why do you think such a large % of people who initially "followed the science" (and got 2 doses) chose not to "follow the science" and get a booster? (Again, keeping in mind boosters have been widely available since late 2021)

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> FWIW I got the third booster, because I didn't want to risk unnecessarily transmitting a disease to my family last Thanksgiving.

The booster does not prevent transmissions. You have been lied to.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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post #24

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> It's also unpatented and cheap All of these vaccines are cheap.

But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude! The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods to hurt other vaccines (even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public).

If you want to make claims regulated by the FDA, you have to hire all these FDA consultants, many of whom are former FDA employees. They don’t seem to do much IME. So there’s a serious revolving door problem worth investigating in the case of these vaccines, though I’m not sure that’s secret, underhanded, or necessarily hurting other vaccines.
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