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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by robhunter »

I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US:

- Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago

- Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses

- So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease; the vaccine is more effective than natural immunity; healthy 18 year old males need a booster to go to school" - that I think it will be a real uphill climb to get more buy-in, even if the actual underlying product is more effective.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by autokad »

phkahler wrote: post #15

We could just approve Corbevax in the US. It's a more traditional vaccine and includes more of the virus than spike proteins. It's also unpatented and cheap. The cynic in me says there is huge interest in having an annual Covid vaccine like the flu one. They'll just change spike proteins every year in a never ending game of cat and mouse. With mRNA that game is easy and profitable.

I hope not, because I don't think we will be given a choice on whether we want to take it or not, and the last booster I had in December wrecked me. Within 20 minutes I was yawning non stop, one yawn after till the point I was gasping for air. eventually my whole body was in pain for about 3 days, my resting heart rate was over 100 (60-65 is normal for me) and my oxygen levels was down to 90. 6 weeks later I caught omicron anyways.

Long story short, I don't want to go through that every 6 months.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by metadat »

robhunter wrote: post #21

I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

Your extrapolations from the cited metrics make no sense. People are less interested in the currently available vaccines because they don't protect against the current dominant strain (BA.5).

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by bawolff »

phkahler wrote: post #15

We could just approve Corbevax in the US. It's a more traditional vaccine and includes more of the virus than spike proteins. It's also unpatented and cheap. The cynic in me says there is huge interest in having an annual Covid vaccine like the flu one. They'll just change spike proteins every year in a never ending game of cat and mouse. With mRNA that game is easy and profitable.

> It's also unpatented and cheap

All of these vaccines are cheap.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by KennyBlanken »

autokad wrote: post #22
phkahler wrote: post #15

We could just approve Corbevax in the US. It's a more traditional vaccine and includes more of the virus than spike proteins. It's also unpatented and cheap. The cynic in me says there is huge interest in having an annual Covid vaccine like the flu one. They'll just change spike proteins every year in a never ending game of cat and mouse. With mRNA that game is easy and profitable.

I hope not, because I don't think we will be given a choice on whether we want to take it or not, and the last booster I had in December wrecked me. Within 20 minutes I was yawning non stop, one yawn after till the point I was gasping for air. eventually my whole body was in pain for about 3 days, my resting heart rate was over 100 (60-65 is normal for me) and my oxygen levels was down to 90. 6 weeks later I caught o…

No post body was provided.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by nescioquid »

Robotbeat wrote: post #12
opan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Increased popularity of WFH probably helps a bit. You can order groceries to your house pretty easily as well.

Do they magically appear at your house with no addition driving involved? (Sorry, that came off snarkier than I intended. Online ordering of food just kind of outsources the driving, doesn’t reduce it. Different maybe for delivery trucks that serve multiple houses per trip.)

Not magically, but if you have one delivery vehicle making a route by n addresses, could that not be more efficient than n independent round trips?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

autokad wrote: post #22
phkahler wrote: post #15

We could just approve Corbevax in the US. It's a more traditional vaccine and includes more of the virus than spike proteins. It's also unpatented and cheap. The cynic in me says there is huge interest in having an annual Covid vaccine like the flu one. They'll just change spike proteins every year in a never ending game of cat and mouse. With mRNA that game is easy and profitable.

I hope not, because I don't think we will be given a choice on whether we want to take it or not, and the last booster I had in December wrecked me. Within 20 minutes I was yawning non stop, one yawn after till the point I was gasping for air. eventually my whole body was in pain for about 3 days, my resting heart rate was over 100 (60-65 is normal for me) and my oxygen levels was down to 90. 6 weeks later I caught o…

I thought nobody was forced to take the vaccine?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by peter422 »

bawolff wrote: post #24
phkahler wrote: post #15

We could just approve Corbevax in the US. It's a more traditional vaccine and includes more of the virus than spike proteins. It's also unpatented and cheap. The cynic in me says there is huge interest in having an annual Covid vaccine like the flu one. They'll just change spike proteins every year in a never ending game of cat and mouse. With mRNA that game is easy and profitable.

> It's also unpatented and cheap All of these vaccines are cheap.

But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude!

The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods to hurt other vaccines (even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public).

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by wbobeirne »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #27
autokad wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope not, because I don't think we will be given a choice on whether we want to take it or not, and the last booster I had in December wrecked me. Within 20 minutes I was yawning non stop, one yawn after till the point I was gasping for air. eventually my whole body was in pain for about 3 days, my resting heart rate was over 100 (60-65 is normal for me) and my oxygen levels was down to 90. 6 weeks later I caught o…

I thought nobody was forced to take the vaccine?

That depends on your employer and whether you consider losing your job 'forcing' you

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by enobrev »

robhunter wrote: post #21

I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

Your % for kids under 5 isn't indicative of much. We signed up for a vaccine for my almost-3yo the day they were released and we're scheduled for next week. I know lots of parents who are also scheduled and most are after us.

Just because they were made available a month ago doesn't mean anyone actually had access a month ago.

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