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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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"Vaccine skeptic" is just the more indirect way of saying "anti-vaxxer". There's no practical difference.

You focused on the wrong part of the sentence. The key difference is whether someone is against vaccines in general, or against the COVID vaccines in particular.

Correct. It's a straw man.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#182

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Covid deaths are higher now in the US than this time a year ago and nobody gives a shit. Half the country demonized the other half of the country for reaching the same state of indifference 6-8 months earlier than they did.

> Half the country demonized the other half of the country And also demonized Australia - "fascist"! "authoritarian"! - for being 6 months behind in COVID and still giving a shit when the USA already didn't. For us in Australia, early 2020 was 6 months of the USA looking like a disaster movie while almost noone had it here.

But did Australia's draconian lockdowns actually even accomplish anything other than delaying the inevitable? Hasn't COVID been going strong there since Christmas, despite everything they put their citizens through?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#183

>> the current 7-day average is 380 deaths per day Stop counting simple deaths. Instead count years of life lost vs average life expectancy.

Ah yes, Hippocrates' famous oath that to this day inspires all medical practitioners: "It's too bad, but I guess he would've died soon anyway."

For individual patients, sure, but when dealing with populations a more rigorous statistical analysis is needed.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Immunity is likely long term. There was evidence of a bone marrow compartment formation after primary infection in the early days of the pandemic, maybe even as early as 2020. It continues to be supported. Latest: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... "This work provides further evidence of sustained immune response in children up to 1 year after primary SARS-CoV-2 infection." More details o…

Yes, however BA.5 is another beast. Post infection immunity lasts in the order of weeks it would appear.

Immunity to infection ≠ immunity to serious disease. The epitopes that drive long-lived memory are fairly well conserved.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#185
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Polio vaccine has the same behavior, so it isn't really bending the meaning of the word.

Isn't the number of polio cases way, way down since the polio vaccine was introduced, to the point that it's almost eradicated now? How could that have happened if all it did were make infections less severe?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#186
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> In the US, roughly as many vaccinated people in the US die from COVID every day as there are total deaths across the country in motor vehicle accidents. It's truly shocking that we're not doing more to reduce car dependency.

or to make working public transportation a norm across the country and interstate travel

Please see comment on why this won't happen: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31894308

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#187
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This is the wrong discussion - what's needed is a vaccine that actually lasts for more than 6 months before immunity fades. I remember reading very early in COVID how experts said finding a vaccine would be very difficult because we've never been able to generate long lasting immunity to corona viruses. And they were hoping COVID would be different. Turns out - it's not different.

We are preventing development of serious disease with the vaccine. At the end of the day, that’s what should count.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#188
"vaccines"

real vaccines stop you from getting infected, spreading the disease or having symptoms, what's again efficacy of these vaccines at least against asymptomatic COVID? since we abandoned the idea that vaccines slow spread in any way...

Why would you get vaxxed if you are healthy person and your vaccination doesn't help anyone but you?

For the record in 11M Czechia 40K people died WITH COVID (that includes car accident victims, terminally ill patients it anyone enlisted in hospital who had to get tested) in more than 2 years, less than 1% of them were under 44. [1]

[1] https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19/prehledy-khs

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#189
post #98

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It reduced the odds, which was good enough.

I don't think any vaccine study had odds of transmission as one of the end points. How do you even design such a study?

It's not complicated- by reducing the odds of contracting covid, the odds of transmission are reduced.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

#190

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VERS report should be treated as anecdotal, not as data.

Not mutually exclusive. These are reports of adverse side effects. Data can be reported by individuals.

no they can't, for instance in Czechia your have to report it to your doctor, who can then report it to VAERS and it's up to him whether it's gonna be reported
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