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We are forced to in Australia. I was barred from taking exams this semester since I didn’t have the vaccine. Others lose their jobs. There is no freedom of choice there. It’s a gun wrapped in a blanket.
Sounds like you made a choice, a poor one. We are also "forced" to wear seatbelts in cars and not drink-drive. For some reason I don't hear those things described as "no freedom of choice" or the ludicrous "gun wrapped in a blanket". Drink-driving is the closer analogy of the two, as the harm extends to other people, as in vaccine refusal. Can you imagine hearing the drink-driving laws described as "a gun wrapped in…
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#152>> the current 7-day average is 380 deaths per day Stop counting simple deaths. Instead count years of life lost vs average life expectancy.
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It started to wane slightly after 2 months. It was still nearly 100% effective at that point. It was still highly effective at 6 months (85%+), which is when a booster would return it to full effectiveness.
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With significantly more constrained supply, demand for 1st doses was materially higher for every other age group For instance, 5-11 year olds were up to 15% at about the same period of time after the vaccines were made available to that age group - https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/an-upda... 15% vs. 2% is a pretty substantial drop in just ~6 months, no?
We - as in parents - literally can't get them. They are intentionally releasing the vaccine for under 5s significantly slower. The comparison doesn't make sense. This has nothing to do with demand.
They finally just called us to see if we wanted it, but we ended up going to Rite Aid.
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It's not fair to equate skepticism of the covid vaccine to being anti vax.
"Vaccine skeptic" is just the more indirect way of saying "anti-vaxxer". There's no practical difference.
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I had it, before a vaccine was available, and it was a nothing burger, like it was for most 30-somethings. If you already have natural immunity, or 1-2 doses of the vaccine, there’s no point worry about it.
No, stop staying this foolishness. In dense cities like NY, I would say at least 20% of the city is infected right now. Workers. People on the street. The subway is disgusting, there is at least one infected person per carriage coughing over everyone and refusing to wear a mask. You walk around and hear that infected lung with light mucus cough. It’s everywhere. Unless we get proper proper sterilizing vaccines, the w…
Latest: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...
"This work provides further evidence of sustained immune response in children up to 1 year after primary SARS-CoV-2 infection."
More details on the mechanism: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34030176 "Overall, our results indicate that mild infection with SARS-CoV-2 induces robust antigen-specific, long-lived humoral immune memory in humans."
Follow the science. There is no need to panic.
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I had it, before a vaccine was available, and it was a nothing burger, like it was for most 30-somethings. If you already have natural immunity, or 1-2 doses of the vaccine, there’s no point worry about it.
No, stop staying this foolishness. In dense cities like NY, I would say at least 20% of the city is infected right now. Workers. People on the street. The subway is disgusting, there is at least one infected person per carriage coughing over everyone and refusing to wear a mask. You walk around and hear that infected lung with light mucus cough. It’s everywhere. Unless we get proper proper sterilizing vaccines, the w…
If you are to insult people's intelligence then don't use your own germophobic anecdotal perception of the world as a credible epidemiological source.
> Unless we get proper proper sterilizing vaccines, the world is going to be in a cycle of getting sick from it every few months.
I get it that you're not familiar with most respiratory viruses.
> I am tired of the selfishness of people having an attitude that it’s not a big deal.
Imposing a medical procedure for your own safety is also a form of selfishness that lead to abuse in the recent past (see Jacobson v. Massachusetts and how it lead to Buck v. Bell)
> There is no long lasting natural resistance. We need new tech and widespread adoption.
Coronaviruses are know to change very quickly and this is why they escape immunity. Tech is not magic and won't change that fact of life. A universal coronavirus vaccine is a pipe dream.
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There are studies comparing the protection offered by vaccination vs natural infection, so there's no need to draw conclusions from a single anecdote. Obviously when you're just looking at a single case the results will be dominated by behaviour and luck around exposure, not the degree of immunity.
> , so there's no need to draw conclusions from a single anecdote In the meantime we are still waiting for the raw data to be made public about Pfizer's vaccine trials. Strange that we can inject billions on people on Earth yet nobody apart from a selected few were allowed to see that.
And let's be honest....an mRNA vaccine has some fats, sugars, and salts in it. The magic is in the programming to work with your body and it's immune system. I've heard some insane personalized interpretations of basic organic chemistry on the vaccine topic before (please know not saying you, referencing past discussions with others) about how vaccines loaded with poisons and caused all kinds of issues. And with an mRNA vaccine's ingredient list reading like an organic snack know what all those people said instead? An mRNA vaccine will alter your DNA because youtube told them so.
These are also the people that said they understood Particle Physics better then myself or any source I cited, because I was too full of myself to acknowledge that when I said non-ionizing radiation I was ignoring the radiation part...which is how 5G was the true cause of COVID19. Then they told me I was a poster boy for what education does to someone....because I lacked the common sense to recognize the dangers of the radiation part in non-ionizing radiation. Never mind he was arguing with me surrounded by technology saturating him with that very same harmless radiation.
I told those examples to make a point...releasing all of that data won't change the first person's mind. They'll simply shift their position or do like they did with the whole autism debate and say they're right and anything saying differently is obviously part of a larger conspiracy of people who don't care about patient health. Over 20,000 people are hospitalized and 3,000 dead every year from aspirin due to anaphylaxis or bleeds. That's not really reported because anyone who expects every single human on the planet to have zero negative reaction to a drug every time is setting unrealistic expectations as a cheap way to try to prove their right. We've had roughly (last time I checked several months ago) a couple of dozen verified deaths relating to the vaccine since roll out and all those had genetic conditions that caused it.
Point is, every scrap of that data can hit the net tonight and the only thing that would change is we'd wake up to the new laughable "they are using it to track you" or "It's going to force gender change in men!" rumors tomorrow. Meaning, 99% of the people who'd (skim) read that data are the kind of people who'd tell me I was a moron because I wasn't getting that non-ionizing radiation is still radiation and is nuking us all.
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No, stop staying this foolishness. In dense cities like NY, I would say at least 20% of the city is infected right now. Workers. People on the street. The subway is disgusting, there is at least one infected person per carriage coughing over everyone and refusing to wear a mask. You walk around and hear that infected lung with light mucus cough. It’s everywhere. Unless we get proper proper sterilizing vaccines, the w…
Immunity is likely long term. There was evidence of a bone marrow compartment formation after primary infection in the early days of the pandemic, maybe even as early as 2020. It continues to be supported. Latest: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... "This work provides further evidence of sustained immune response in children up to 1 year after primary SARS-CoV-2 infection." More details o…
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are studies comparing the protection offered by vaccination vs natural infection, so there's no need to draw conclusions from a single anecdote. Obviously when you're just looking at a single case the results will be dominated by behaviour and luck around exposure, not the degree of immunity.
Not extensive studies.