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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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> So much damage has been done to public trust Anti-vaxxers aren't new. What we have here is an unhealthy mix of exceptionalism, anti-intellectualism and contrarianism. There is a psychological comfort in believing you' can see through the [Big Lie/Conspiracy]. Prior to Covid it was autism and vaccine. When was the last time you heard about that? Before Covid. Why? Because we've moved on to another vaccine to be skep…

It's not fair to equate skepticism of the covid vaccine to being anti vax.

"Vaccine skeptic" is just the more indirect way of saying "anti-vaxxer". There's no practical difference.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

> So much damage has been done to public trust Anti-vaxxers aren't new. What we have here is an unhealthy mix of exceptionalism, anti-intellectualism and contrarianism. There is a psychological comfort in believing you' can see through the [Big Lie/Conspiracy]. Prior to Covid it was autism and vaccine. When was the last time you heard about that? Before Covid. Why? Because we've moved on to another vaccine to be skep…

Well the polio vaccine left people blind iirc. Unfortunately the anti-vax group isnt completely crazy this time. If you haven't seen or heard of adverse reactions click your heels and go kiss your mother: you're one of the lucky ones. I had to get the vac for int travel and to this day, 6 months later, I still have not recovered my strength. I had covid before that and since then, the first time I barely noticed it, this time it was like a very mild version of what happened with the vaccine. If I could go back I would go nowhere near it. Despite the arrogance most medical professionals display, it seems medicine(atleast this sphere) is the furthest away from true honest science out of all the disciplines.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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I'm not sure the public - at least in North America - has much of an appetite for any more Covid vaccines. In the US: - Only about 2% of kids under 5 have had a 1st dose since they were introduced nearly a month ago - Only 30% of the 5-11 year old population has had 2 doses - So much damage has been done to public trust - "You will not get Covid if you get the vaccine; the vaccine eliminates the spread of the disease…

I've not been able to find medical evidence that the vaccine has any benefits at all for under 5s.

It's been theorised to reduce severe illness and death (and it's very plausible it might!) but afaict that's never actually been measured.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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VAERS is raw data - anything and everything that happens a couple days after getting the shot. it's dimensionless without knowing background prevalence of disorders, as well as incidence per 100k doses.

I'm not totally sure about your article, either. for instance, they quote someone saying Bell's palsy is one of the top three side effects from mRNA vaccines, but this Lancet article [1] shows that risk of Bell's palsy is only increased by the Chinese CoronaVac vaccine, not Pfizer.

anyway, hopefully this universal coronavirus vaccine works. I just want to be protected - I don't care what you do.

1. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Your % for kids under 5 isn't indicative of much. We signed up for a vaccine for my almost-3yo the day they were released and we're scheduled for next week. I know lots of parents who are also scheduled and most are after us. Just because they were made available a month ago doesn't mean anyone actually had access a month ago.

With significantly more constrained supply, demand for 1st doses was materially higher for every other age group For instance, 5-11 year olds were up to 15% at about the same period of time after the vaccines were made available to that age group - https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/an-upda... 15% vs. 2% is a pretty substantial drop in just ~6 months, no?

We - as in parents - literally can't get them. They are intentionally releasing the vaccine for under 5s significantly slower. The comparison doesn't make sense. This has nothing to do with demand.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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No official body has ever said "you will not get covid if you get the vaccine". Even the earliest trial results said "you will not be hospitalized or die if you get the vaccine", not that you won't get covid. And at the time, that was true because we were dealing with the original strain. Nothing else you said is untrue either. The vaccine drastically reduced the spread of the virus. I'm not sure what you're getting…

Wrong on all accounts. The early communication about the vaccine was all about preventing infections. You are trying to rewrite History. Back in 2020, press release from Pfizer: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta... > "Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, wit…

What you're showing is that the early data showed a high degree of efficacy against an earlier variant. And 95% isn't 100%.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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> FWIW I got the third booster, because I didn't want to risk unnecessarily transmitting a disease to my family last Thanksgiving. The booster does not prevent transmissions. You have been lied to.

It reduced the odds, which was good enough.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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I hope not, because I don't think we will be given a choice on whether we want to take it or not, and the last booster I had in December wrecked me. Within 20 minutes I was yawning non stop, one yawn after till the point I was gasping for air. eventually my whole body was in pain for about 3 days, my resting heart rate was over 100 (60-65 is normal for me) and my oxygen levels was down to 90. 6 weeks later I caught o…

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