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Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by oneoff786 »

lotusmars wrote: post #148
inglor_cz wrote: post #124

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"beats any arms supplies possible" Very observably not. Russia seems to be actually incapable of buying any modern weapons for the billions of euros it receives from Germany. Even China considers such cooperation too risky. The technical level of Russian equipment deployed in the battles in Ukraine has gone downhill since February. Now they are pulling really old stuff (designed or even manufactured in the 1950s-1960…

There is no need in sophisticated weaponry or even artillery when you have endless literal cannon fodder. Hide or deny losses and drag on just enough to exhaust your opponent. A year of slow territorial gains? Two? More? Not a problem as long as economy is propped by European money, Germans don’t bother sending enough weapons and Western media is tired of war and looks elsewhere.

Russia doesn’t have endless cannon fodder. And has had a lot of difficulty sourcing troops. They are fine losing troops but their army isn’t as big as people imagine. And the logistics needed to get people to the front with basic supplies is hard.

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Post by oneoff786 »

lotusmars wrote: post #121
dragonwriter wrote: post #74

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> If Russia is pushed back into its borders, it will take a couple of years to ramp up weapons production and will retry Or the current regime will collapse. That often happens with large scale defeats, especially without a democratic outlet for internal change within the system.

Why should Putin’s regime collapse? Ruble is strong, people got +20% instant raise because of sanctions. Germany pours billions into Russian economy. Save for Netflix not working anymore, life in Moscow is even better than pre-war.

Russian gdp forecasted to fall 8-10%.

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Post by oneoff786 »

lordnacho wrote: post #132
NicoJuicy wrote: post #66

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Prediction: HIMARS 300 km. Destroys the Russian dependency on railroads and with that, Russian military logistics capacity. Eg. Crimea: https://warsawinstitute.org/train-crimea-russia-condemned-op... https://newsbeezer.com/vietnameng/russia-deploys-smoke-scree... Their priority is also their weakness. Just look at the slow Russian advance without railroads in eg. Kyiv in the beginning of the war. They were stalled fo…

I don't get how they can be so dependent on rail. How did they ever threaten all of Western Europe if that was their strategy?

Nukes

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Post by vogre »

mike_k wrote: post #153
vogre wrote: post #129

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Any proofs?

First, there is no proof of the original claim, other than words of Ukrainian mayor.

Second, this explanation is much more logical than the version with russians firing superexpensive anti air weapons to random ground targets.

Third, there were photos of these missiles, and they belong to older series of rockets. Russia dismissed these old s-300 long ago, but Ukraine have plenty of them.

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Post by oneoff786 »

tablespoon wrote: post #106
NicoJuicy wrote: post #66

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Prediction: HIMARS 300 km. Destroys the Russian dependency on railroads and with that, Russian military logistics capacity. Eg. Crimea: https://warsawinstitute.org/train-crimea-russia-condemned-op... https://newsbeezer.com/vietnameng/russia-deploys-smoke-scree... Their priority is also their weakness. Just look at the slow Russian advance without railroads in eg. Kyiv in the beginning of the war. They were stalled fo…

> HIMARS 300 km. Destroys the Russian dependency on railroads and with that, Russian military logistics capacity. That's a bit too wonder-weapony for me to think that it will actually happen that way. That Crimean bridge seems like it could be destroyed effectively, but it's out of range. With the Donbas, I wonder if any damage could be repaired relatively quickly, since it would obviously be a priority.

You can’t destroy railroads easily. They’re simple to repair. Russia’s problem is they don’t know what to do when the train reaches the end. The HIMARS are destroying the ammo dumps because all Russia can do is unload stuff from trains and put it into one place, then truck it around as needed. They don’t have enough trucks or loading equipment to change this strategy. So if you need to get goods from Russia to the front, your only option is to train it a place outside HIMAR range and then truck the last grueling 100km which is really slow and ineffective. Not too dissimilar from the kyiv convoy early on.

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Post by wiseleo »

monetus wrote: post #92
yostrovs wrote: post #5

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He's ready to run a fascist state. Here he is being a Nazi. The end should speak enough for those that don't understand Russian: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xkXVVcPWSU8

Where did you find this? Can anyone give me insight as to what was said? This is wild. it is this event(1)? (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_march

Hmmm... I speak Russian as a native speaker. The speech honestly does not make sense. This is a fragment of a longer speech that is missing context unless you are tuned into local politics as of 2007.

He's talking about criminals joining the ranks of Russia's army and how he's unhappy about it. Go figure...

He's also upset that the world is not considering him and his people as people.

Deciphering the symbolic was more interesting. He kept his fist closed in the end, but others did not.

The Black/Yellow/White flag is a Russian flag from Tzar Alexander II. The Blue/Yellow/Red flag appears to be related to Germany.

What's amusing is that Russian March an anti-Putin organization. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA... - use Google Translate to read this instead of the English version.

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Post by qaq »

JeremyNT wrote: post #133
lotusmars wrote: post #114

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Sanctions will be lifted or eased long before tech embargo hits. Putin has too many points to cause pain for European politicians. For example grain shortage caused by his naval operations will cause hunger in North Africa. Revolts and refugee influx to Europe will follow. It’s enough for Europeans to put pressure on Ukraine to surrender. If it doesn’t they will spoon-feed it arms so it will surrender by fall.

I feel like a protracted proxy war in Ukraine was never really on the table. What we've seen so far is the US and its allies forcing Russia to pay a "price" for its adventurism. The value of this is both to act as a deterrent against future actions and to strengthen Ukraine's negotiating power when it ultimately surrenders. I suspect that at a certain point everybody will be satisfied with the level of pain exacted,…

Don't judge people by yourself Ukraine will not surrender.

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Post by Wertigoyr »

qaq wrote: post #167
JeremyNT wrote: post #133

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I feel like a protracted proxy war in Ukraine was never really on the table. What we've seen so far is the US and its allies forcing Russia to pay a "price" for its adventurism. The value of this is both to act as a deterrent against future actions and to strengthen Ukraine's negotiating power when it ultimately surrenders. I suspect that at a certain point everybody will be satisfied with the level of pain exacted,…

Don't judge people by yourself Ukraine will not surrender.

It might be like this. It's already tremendous impressive how the Ukrainian people stood up to Putin.

But bombing so many civilians means after a while a tremendous loss as well.

It's just speculation and the hope would of course be Putin just getting out of Ukraine but Putin just has much less to loose besides his own death.

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Post by mahoro »

orbital-decay wrote: post #143
mahoro wrote: post #112

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> I think he was good manager Oh, probably that's why in Russia he's known as 'Undertaker of space industry'. It makes sense.

Speaking as someone who actually worked in the industry: he didn't take it down. The actual troubles started long before him, and even long before 90s; they weren't noticeable at first. In 70s, those bright rocket engineers who were given carte blanche for almost anything after the war (and showed it was worth it), started to abuse their positions to siphon resources from the state and to justify the existence of com…

Thank you for your comment, it is unexpected. I've read bunch of news articles about Rogozin, Roscosmos and Vostochniy cosmodrome, and I would agree with 'okay-ish for Putin's era' assessment of his management.

But I wouldn't separate his management from his public speeches. As top-level official, his shitposting may be as important as his management decisions. Before him, Russian space industry were decaying but it was declaring a peaceful goals (I remember ambitious Phobos-Grunt mission that was close to success). Now Roscosmos looks like a department of ministry of defence.

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Post by norwalkbear »

inglor_cz wrote: post #142
norwalkbear wrote: post #137

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Maybe but those are big assumptions. Does the USA inspect it's missiles in the middle of nowhere?

IDK, but that is hardly relevant to the current situation. We aren't trying to one-up each other in a "who is worse" rhetoric content, but looking at the situation at the Russo-Ukrainian front. From what I get, Western stuff delivered to the Ukrainians is in working order, while the Russians shells seem to have a fairly high percentage of duds - usually an indicator of a fuse degraded by long and inadequate storage.…

It's exactly the same. Two global leaders in military power.
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