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Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by gdy »

H8crilA wrote: post #14
stoobs wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that seems to be becoming the new "sent to Siberia", although I very much doubt he'll be placing himself directly in danger, unless he had no choice. Either way, he picked his poison long ago.

There really will be nothing left of Donbwabwe and Luganda once the Russian army is done with them: no buildings/infrastructure (blown up by enemy artillery, or possibly own artillery if there is ever a counteroffensive), but certainly no capable men (all forcefully drafted into the army and then killed or maimed in combat). The worst part is that both sides have the resources and will to continue fighting for quite…

Why do you call Donetsk and Lugansk "Donbwabwe and Luganda"?

It's clearly a play on the names of African countries Zimbabwe and Uganda, but was is your message?

Is it a show of disparaging attitude towards the people living in the East of Ukraine?

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by inglor_cz »

norwalkbear wrote: post #137
inglor_cz wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On paper, certainly. But a lot of those missiles have been stored somewhere in Siberia for 40+ years. Their condition is probably less than stellar. Who would regularly inspect and maintain random ammo dumps located five timezones away from Moscow in the middle of nowhere? I suspect that at least some of those missiles are outright out of commission and others are unstable enough to be a danger to the Russians themse…

Maybe but those are big assumptions. Does the USA inspect it's missiles in the middle of nowhere?

IDK, but that is hardly relevant to the current situation. We aren't trying to one-up each other in a "who is worse" rhetoric content, but looking at the situation at the Russo-Ukrainian front.

From what I get, Western stuff delivered to the Ukrainians is in working order, while the Russians shells seem to have a fairly high percentage of duds - usually an indicator of a fuse degraded by long and inadequate storage.

And if shells frequently fail, so will other long stored equipment.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by orbital-decay »

mahoro wrote: post #112
vbezhenar wrote: post #62

I think he was good manager, good luck to him. It seems that Russia will concentrate on mostly military space applications from now on. So different kind of management will be required.

> I think he was good manager Oh, probably that's why in Russia he's known as 'Undertaker of space industry'. It makes sense.

Speaking as someone who actually worked in the industry: he didn't take it down. The actual troubles started long before him, and even long before 90s; they weren't noticeable at first. In 70s, those bright rocket engineers who were given carte blanche for almost anything after the war (and showed it was worth it), started to abuse their positions to siphon resources from the state and to justify the existence of companies led by them. It was roughly the same process that was happening in NASA after Apollo, except NASA realized that early on, and somewhat corrected by starting to shift the spaceflight towards the commercial/private sector since 1985. Additionally, NASA never suffered a disintegration of the country and a decade of nothing.

Rogozin was just a typical okay-ish manager of Putin era with an inflated ego, who also liked to shitpost to Twitter. The ones before him were even worse (like Komarov who plundered Khrunichev together with his friend Kalinovsky). His main blunder was that he tried to run it as a for-profit state corporation to cater to the government unwilling to pay more for a hopeless industry; otherwise, some of the decisions he made were sensible enough. But the Russian space industry couldn't have been "saved" by mediocrities like him. It needed to be rescaled and the program re-prioritized. The fundamental reform was long overdue, and it required political will from the government, that wasn't there.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by lotusmars »

gdy wrote: post #141
H8crilA wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There really will be nothing left of Donbwabwe and Luganda once the Russian army is done with them: no buildings/infrastructure (blown up by enemy artillery, or possibly own artillery if there is ever a counteroffensive), but certainly no capable men (all forcefully drafted into the army and then killed or maimed in combat). The worst part is that both sides have the resources and will to continue fighting for quite…

Why do you call Donetsk and Lugansk "Donbwabwe and Luganda"? It's clearly a play on the names of African countries Zimbabwe and Uganda, but was is your message? Is it a show of disparaging attitude towards the people living in the East of Ukraine?

Not people. Criminal neo-Stalinist enclaves that Lungansk and Donetsk were turned into by Russia.

People routinely disappear, being put in the basement (na podval), tortured for smallest reasons.

Drafts when people are being used a cannon fodder.

It’s a disgrace what Putin’s people turned this place into over 8 years.

Same or worse fate awaits newly occupied territories too.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by lotusmars »

deepsun wrote: post #131
lotusmars wrote: post #121

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Why should Putin’s regime collapse? Ruble is strong, people got +20% instant raise because of sanctions. Germany pours billions into Russian economy. Save for Netflix not working anymore, life in Moscow is even better than pre-war.

People in Russia can swallow poverty, injustice, corruption no problem. But they cannot swallow war defeat. This tsar is weak, need a better tsar who wins.

Judging by weak arms supplies by Europeans who don’t want to anger their gas supplier - Putin is far from defeat.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by ac130kz »

UkrainianJew wrote: post #68

I find it rather worrying in the long term. Russia has been an extremely inefficient and corrupt state for the past 2 decades. Export oil & gas, import everything else, let the cronies pocket the proceeds, while having most manufacturing, defense and tech exist mostly on paper. People like Rogozin were promoted based on the loyalty and willingness to give a cut of the pie further up the ladder. Currently this trend a…

Don't worry, they appointed a similar budget thief, and the state is so corrupt it won't be able to recover once gas and oil money are gone

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by lotusmars »

inglor_cz wrote: post #124
lotusmars wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won’t. Europeans drag their feet on arming Ukraine and pressure it to surrender (“peace”). The reason is gas and fear of refugee influx to Europe from hunger in Africa. Plus Germans paying Russia billions for gas beats any arms supplies possible. And they will not stop doing it.

"beats any arms supplies possible" Very observably not. Russia seems to be actually incapable of buying any modern weapons for the billions of euros it receives from Germany. Even China considers such cooperation too risky. The technical level of Russian equipment deployed in the battles in Ukraine has gone downhill since February. Now they are pulling really old stuff (designed or even manufactured in the 1950s-1960…

There is no need in sophisticated weaponry or even artillery when you have endless literal cannon fodder. Hide or deny losses and drag on just enough to exhaust your opponent.

A year of slow territorial gains? Two? More? Not a problem as long as economy is propped by European money, Germans don’t bother sending enough weapons and Western media is tired of war and looks elsewhere.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by vogre »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #65
vogre wrote: post #28

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Or a great chance to show himself.

A space chief as a military strategist? You're forgetting that Russian generals are demoted if they win too much, since they could become a threat to Putin's position if they gain too much influence. There's no way to win in the Russian military, other than the bribes in your pocket. "USSR logic"

Most probably he will not be a military strategist, but something like governor whose task will be reintegrating these territories in Russia.

He has a great experience running Roscosmos which is quite a large corporation.

And he is very patriotic, highly motivated, will not sell or betray Russia. That's why he is ideal for that task.

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