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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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> He wholeheartedly apologises to Maree if she was offended by what he did and urges her to contact him privately so he can personally apologise. > If she requests him to take down the video he will do that. The video should've been taken down already.

Honest thing to do would be to disclose the profits from the video and share it with her.

Aren't the profits from TikTok videos still approximately "fuck all"?

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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The staged stuff doesn't bother me as much as the dangerous stuff: https://www.fastcompany.com/90287323/people-are-falling-off-...

People get pushed to the brink in desperation after years of posting but not being noticed... It's tragic, but to be honest, a lot of the people that end up dying in an accident for doing dumb things would possibly be even more destructive if they succeeded each time. Not everyone is cut out to be an entertainer, influencer, or celebrity. The problem in our current world is that social platforms are encouraging every…

I'm reminded of the song 'Creature Comfort' by Arcade Fire

"God, make me famous. If you can't, just make it painless"

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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> It also turns the subject into an object of utility, a means and not and end in themself. False dichotomy. It can be both.

> False dichotomy. It can be both. I was about to agree, but then this is deeper than a simple binary. You are right if saying one could act towards another so as to benefit them and yourself. And, if so maximising the total utility that is utilitarianism. No dichotomy. However, and this why Kant's categorical imperative isn't utilitarianism , something cannot be both a means and and an end. A node in a tree cannot b…

Why not? I can exercise both because it makes me feel good and because it is good for my health. There is no contradiction. I think people can tie themselves in knots looking for the true cause or intent. I'm not sure it matters or even exists in any way that matters.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

>> Even car accidents... I hate when a real car accident is attributed to a drunk driver when it was not. There are plenty of wrecked cars from actual drunk driving, you don't need to lie to get an example. Some people think their intentions justify their actions, even when their actions can accurately be described as "lie" or "cheat" or "for profit" or some other dishonest thing. This may be effective in many cases,…

My wife and I, individually, and on various occasions over the years, have paid for random strangers' shopping.

We don't do social media, we don't even tell anybody, except for this one time, right now to support your point, so I think it's appropriate in this case.

We've told each other because we talk about our finances and it's reasonably to discuss why the grocery bill was double triple, etc what it would have been for what was brought home.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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She articulates the exploitative nature of this sort of viral / influencer charity incredibly well. His actions, while I'm sure well-intentioned, are sexist, ageist and absolutely dehumanizing. I hope the article helps him and the millions who liked the video check their assumptions and offers a lesson in moral complexity and subjectivity.

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I don't think that the bible says that giving to the poor will absolve you of your sins. So maybe not the same coin.

Coins usually don't have the exact same thing on each side, just the core value is the same. Which is my being pedantic on the coin side, to point out that pedantry isn't really needed on the metaphorical side.

Right. I would say that these concepts are similar. But "because they're all faces of the same coin" seems to put forth that the two religions are of the same coin which I disagree with.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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It's funny how these videos say they're intended to spread love and encourage random acts of kindness, but the actual effect of them is decreasing trust in strangers (that they might be filming us for their tiktok). This makes me not trust anyone that goes up to me in the street.

Let's be honest though, they aren't intended to spread love and kindness, they are intended to get views. It's nothing more than a ruse to get views. If the creator was so inclined to spread love and kindness, he'd donate some of the millions he makes off these exploitive videos to charities.

I think true acts of kindness are difficult to achieve because something that you might find "kind", I might not, and vice versa. I think if you truly want to make people happy and do nice things for them you need to know them, their situation, what they're doing well with, what they're struggling with. Being tricked into holding random flowers wouldn't have made my day.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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post #148

This is a form of douchebaggery, sure, but "dehumanised" seems a bit out of proportion here. I'd reconsider such phrases out of respect for all the people who have been genuinely dehumanised throughout history, if nothing else.

I agreed until I read that news stories covering the video described her as an "elderly woman" and a "heartbreaking tale". She might be "senior" by definition, but it doesn't mean she would describe herself as "elderly".

That seems almost to be the crux of the issue. From the article:

> A friend contacted Maree that evening, sharing the uploaded video. At the time, Maree “didn’t think much of it”.

> But after seeing the TikTok video featured in media reports describing her as an “elderly woman” with a “heartbreaking tale,” she said she “felt dehumanised”.

> “I feel like clickbait,” she said.

It really sounds like she agreed until she read that as well.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

#390

The video itself was quite off-putting when I first saw it. He didn't even just kindly offer her flowers. He _tricked_ her into taking them by making it sound like he just wanted her to hold them for him. She was actually being kind to him by doing him a favor, and then he basically ran away and stuck her with them. That's not kind at all, it's pushy and exploitative. As someone who doesn't usually like to accept gif…

Good thing it was just free flowers. Imagine if it had been a free puppy. "Here, just hold this" running off

Even with flowers, I would be mad, because them I'll have to take them home, put on a pot near the window, water them... (I don't like the idea of just throwing plants and flowers out in the trash).

Actually, I would like it even less because I hate the idea of cutting flowers out to put on a bouquet. They'll just die way faster for nothing. I think it's just not a good thing to give someone

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