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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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#151
post #7

It’s not that hard to just say that the idea of creating huge monetary incentives to harass, interrupt, or just distract people in public was a bad idea.

To me it just seems like a lighthearted prank which resulted in giving flowers to someone who appears in need of cheering up. It's something that could easily have been on any comedy TV show of the last 30 years. And I think there's always been a monetary incentive; Candid Camera first aired in 1948.

Those shows would have invariably gotten the consent of all the subjects that made it to air.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

#152

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

The corresponding Qur'an verse (because they're all faces of the same coin): " To give charity publicly is good, but to give to the poor privately is better for you, and will absolve you of your sins. And Allah is All-Aware of what you do. " Al-Baqarah 272

Thanks for this.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The corresponding Qur'an verse (because they're all faces of the same coin): " To give charity publicly is good, but to give to the poor privately is better for you, and will absolve you of your sins. And Allah is All-Aware of what you do. " Al-Baqarah 272

I don't think that the bible says that giving to the poor will absolve you of your sins. So maybe not the same coin.

If the reward cited above in Matthew 6 isn't absolution then it is still effectively similar if it's a pleasant afterlife.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

#154

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

"And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." So still selfish (if doing it for the reward), but that is human nature.

"do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

#155
This is not the case with this video (as it was a stunt) but a larger issue here is how Tik Tok creators feel it is OK to film everyone. It may be legally allowed but ethically it is a very gray area. I spend some time on the platform and frequently see videos of random people just having a bad day and being filmed without their consent for the internet to laugh at. It's voyeurism.

This problem existed before Tik Tok but the platform makes it so insanely easy to go viral doing it.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

#156
post #35

The video itself was quite off-putting when I first saw it. He didn't even just kindly offer her flowers. He _tricked_ her into taking them by making it sound like he just wanted her to hold them for him. She was actually being kind to him by doing him a favor, and then he basically ran away and stuck her with them. That's not kind at all, it's pushy and exploitative. As someone who doesn't usually like to accept gif…

It's funny how these videos say they're intended to spread love and encourage random acts of kindness, but the actual effect of them is decreasing trust in strangers (that they might be filming us for their tiktok). This makes me not trust anyone that goes up to me in the street.

So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it.

I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl and she rejects him, only to come back when he walks up to a (most likely rented) exotic car. In many of these cases, all of the people involved in the video are not authentic, but there's never disclaimer that the video is staged or a skit. Even car accidents, sad stories of addiction and mental illness, and stunts can all be staged to gain views as well.

I'm skeptical of everything I see online, been that way for a long time... Worst part is there is no real way to avoid that type of content, and that phony content often gets plastered across all the sites, and reposted for years too come, and even written about when it's exposed as fake, so there's no real way to avoid it, and there's no incentive for people to stop doing it because of the (negative) popularity it breeds for the people and companies that sponsor and create it.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

#157

The video itself was quite off-putting when I first saw it. He didn't even just kindly offer her flowers. He _tricked_ her into taking them by making it sound like he just wanted her to hold them for him. She was actually being kind to him by doing him a favor, and then he basically ran away and stuck her with them. That's not kind at all, it's pushy and exploitative. As someone who doesn't usually like to accept gif…

Good thing it was just free flowers. Imagine if it had been a free puppy.

"Here, just hold this" running off

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

#158
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His spokespeople will be happy to answer that question for him.

why the hell does a TikToker need a spokesperson at all? ego boost?

when you make money by manipulation and lies you're gonna have to hire a spokesperson at some point to manage your web of lies. See politicians, institutions of the state, corporations, tiktokers, etc

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

#159
post #15

> He wholeheartedly apologises to Maree if she was offended by what he did and urges her to contact him privately so he can personally apologise. > If she requests him to take down the video he will do that. The video should've been taken down already.

Yep. It should have occurred to him that taking it down is the right thing to do.
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