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Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by bilekas »

cm2187 wrote: post #79
worik wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No action whatsoever will be taken against Sir Mo and to suggest otherwise is wrong,” a spokesperson said. I agree the "he law should be solidly on his side and not have to rely on the kindness of some civil servant " It is for Sir Mo Farah. Good on him, respect. But for Ahmed the minimum wage worker, they would be in detention and booked on an aeroplane to Rwanda before you could say "class ridden hell hole". Good…

Not sure I understand the point you are making. That everyone should be able to cheat the immigration system?

Mo Farah didn't cheat the system though. He was a victim of the trafficking and so the ops point is referring to not criminalizing the victim i think. Which makes sense. He didn't break the immigration law.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by random314 »

cm2187 wrote: post #83
petesergeant wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the OP is saying that children trafficked into a country they subsequently grew up in should probably be treated as victims and dealt with compassionately, whether or not they're widely loved sports stars

I understand the intention but even then you are creating a loophole, i.e. you bring people under 18 illegally, they get the nationality through this loophole, then you need to grant visas to the parent who will care for them. It's basically the story of the loophole of "don't put children in jail and don't separate them from their parents either" at the US border. All good intentions, the consequences of which is th…

They are refugees, not illegal immigrants at the US Border fleeing Latin American countries bulldozed by the CIA

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by random314 »

thrown_22 wrote: post #82
sangnoir wrote: post #76

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Sure - there's more to life than fruit, massages, receiving trucked goods, and being attended to by health techs - but add it all up and you're missing quite a huge chunk of "life", IMO.

If a system depends on disposable workers to provide those things than it's not a system we should be supporting. We need to figure out how to provide a wage large enough to provide for everyone, not just the lucky few who have an army of slaves to meet their needs. Currently we don't and we are stealing the human capital of the second world to support our failing countries.

The strawman is now a strawarmy!

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by random314 »

notch656a wrote: post #13
mrtksn wrote: post #11

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Isn't allowed by whom exactly? Simply allow immigrants to vote. Have no work permits, thus working as cheap labor? Give them permits. It's appalling how people pretend that they don't have anything against immigrants but they are against illegal immigrants as if the paperwork for legal work is a natural phenomenon and they can't do anything about it.

Why even have permits then? Just get rid of the permit system altogether. There are probably many million starving African desperate to work a job like trash-man or food packager. Competition for lower skilled jobs will become fierce, but I guess competition is a good thing.

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Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by cm2187 »

random314 wrote: post #92
cm2187 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand the intention but even then you are creating a loophole, i.e. you bring people under 18 illegally, they get the nationality through this loophole, then you need to grant visas to the parent who will care for them. It's basically the story of the loophole of "don't put children in jail and don't separate them from their parents either" at the US border. All good intentions, the consequences of which is th…

They are refugees, not illegal immigrants at the US Border fleeing Latin American countries bulldozed by the CIA

When they cross the borders in Somalia they may be refugees. By the time they have crossed the borders, in and out, of 10 countries that are not at war, to land in the UK, they are economic migrants.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by viktorcode »

TedShiller wrote: post #85

Law doesn’t apply to him?

I'm afraid it's worse. The law does apply, but what the law does is at the discretion of a civil servant handling the case. It isn't clear cut. As the result thousands of people who were living legally in the UK for decades found themselves facing possible deportations as they can't prove to the government that they have lived there for all those years.

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Post by christkv »

mrtksn wrote: post #32
notch656a wrote: post #30

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I think the vast vast majority would continue to work hard. But leachers do exist, and given the opportunity, some will. The thing is the ones that are here illegally are already self selected as ones willing to work without social supports. ----------- >Leechers exist among natives too. Any particular reason to believe that it’s worse with the immigrants? No in fact I've stated the opposite. The incentive structure…

Leechers exist among natives too. Any particular reason to believe that it’s worse with the immigrants?

https://www.ssb.no/en/arbeid-og-lonn/artikler-og-publikasjon...

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by foogazi »

cm2187 wrote: post #83
petesergeant wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the OP is saying that children trafficked into a country they subsequently grew up in should probably be treated as victims and dealt with compassionately, whether or not they're widely loved sports stars

I understand the intention but even then you are creating a loophole, i.e. you bring people under 18 illegally, they get the nationality through this loophole, then you need to grant visas to the parent who will care for them. It's basically the story of the loophole of "don't put children in jail and don't separate them from their parents either" at the US border. All good intentions, the consequences of which is th…

> All good intentions, the consequences of which is that the number of illegal migrants coming with children has blown up, with children being used as a get out of jail card to enter the country illegally.

And then ? What’s wrong with population growth ?

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Post by actuator »

mrtksn wrote: post #32
notch656a wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the vast vast majority would continue to work hard. But leachers do exist, and given the opportunity, some will. The thing is the ones that are here illegally are already self selected as ones willing to work without social supports. ----------- >Leechers exist among natives too. Any particular reason to believe that it’s worse with the immigrants? No in fact I've stated the opposite. The incentive structure…

Leechers exist among natives too. Any particular reason to believe that it’s worse with the immigrants?

I am an expat myself but shouldn't people already living there get to secure their life first? So if they think leechers exist within immigrants, they have a right to complain about it first

I don't think any country needs to give the right for anyone to come there if they want.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by Dylan16807 »

cm2187 wrote: post #83
petesergeant wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the OP is saying that children trafficked into a country they subsequently grew up in should probably be treated as victims and dealt with compassionately, whether or not they're widely loved sports stars

I understand the intention but even then you are creating a loophole, i.e. you bring people under 18 illegally, they get the nationality through this loophole, then you need to grant visas to the parent who will care for them. It's basically the story of the loophole of "don't put children in jail and don't separate them from their parents either" at the US border. All good intentions, the consequences of which is th…

> I understand the intention but even then you are creating a loophole, i.e. you bring people under 18 illegally, they get the nationality through this loophole, then you need to grant visas to the parent who will care for them.

Did anyone suggest that?

"Subsequently grew up in" implies to me that the evaluation is being made many years later, and at a point where they don't need their parents to care for them.

> It's basically the story of the loophole of "don't put children in jail and don't separate them from their parents either" at the US border. All good intentions, the consequences of which is that the number of illegal migrants coming with children has blown up, with children being used as a get out of jail card to enter the country illegally.

Do you have sources for this? I'm finding some very different stories in articles.

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