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Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by petesergeant »

cm2187 wrote: post #79
worik wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No action whatsoever will be taken against Sir Mo and to suggest otherwise is wrong,” a spokesperson said. I agree the "he law should be solidly on his side and not have to rely on the kindness of some civil servant " It is for Sir Mo Farah. Good on him, respect. But for Ahmed the minimum wage worker, they would be in detention and booked on an aeroplane to Rwanda before you could say "class ridden hell hole". Good…

Not sure I understand the point you are making. That everyone should be able to cheat the immigration system?

I suspect the OP is saying that children trafficked into a country they subsequently grew up in should probably be treated as victims and dealt with compassionately, whether or not they're widely loved sports stars

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Post by thrown_22 »

sangnoir wrote: post #76
thrown_22 wrote: post #74

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I'm not sure how to respond without being glib, but there's more to life than fruit. Safe working conditions are worth 5 pound strawberries.

Sure - there's more to life than fruit, massages, receiving trucked goods, and being attended to by health techs - but add it all up and you're missing quite a huge chunk of "life", IMO.

If a system depends on disposable workers to provide those things than it's not a system we should be supporting. We need to figure out how to provide a wage large enough to provide for everyone, not just the lucky few who have an army of slaves to meet their needs. Currently we don't and we are stealing the human capital of the second world to support our failing countries.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by cm2187 »

petesergeant wrote: post #81
cm2187 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure I understand the point you are making. That everyone should be able to cheat the immigration system?

I suspect the OP is saying that children trafficked into a country they subsequently grew up in should probably be treated as victims and dealt with compassionately, whether or not they're widely loved sports stars

I understand the intention but even then you are creating a loophole, i.e. you bring people under 18 illegally, they get the nationality through this loophole, then you need to grant visas to the parent who will care for them.

It's basically the story of the loophole of "don't put children in jail and don't separate them from their parents either" at the US border. All good intentions, the consequences of which is that the number of illegal migrants coming with children has blown up, with children being used as a get out of jail card to enter the country illegally.

I am all for making exceptions in case of exceptional contributions. But you can't create rules without looking at the consequences of the incentives you create.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by RealityVoid »

olivermarks wrote: post #77
niemandhier wrote: post #75

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That is due to a lack of variance in names within a subpopulation. Everyone and his cousin is called Mohammed, heck in certain areas even girls have it as a second name.

This is the entire UK population, not a 'sub population'...

His point is that a sub-population has a low name variance. Even if the sub-population is not very large, if the variance is much lower than the norm, it's going to show disproportionately in the top.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by olivermarks »

closeparen wrote: post #78
Gollapalli wrote: post #63

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Wage dilution is an issue. It's the working and middle classes that are most harmed by immigration. Those who are in the position to not have their wages threatened by mass immigration policies are free to reap the rewards of cheap labor, but for those who are in the position of being outcompeted by incoming labor, immigration is a drawback not an asset. Naturally, policymakers are in the former category, and as such…

No, it's not, this is called the lump of labor fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

Tragedy of the commons (or in this case mass immigration to the 'commons') https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/tragedy-of-the-commons-impa... example 5

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by lmm »

cm2187 wrote: post #79
worik wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No action whatsoever will be taken against Sir Mo and to suggest otherwise is wrong,” a spokesperson said. I agree the "he law should be solidly on his side and not have to rely on the kindness of some civil servant " It is for Sir Mo Farah. Good on him, respect. But for Ahmed the minimum wage worker, they would be in detention and booked on an aeroplane to Rwanda before you could say "class ridden hell hole". Good…

Not sure I understand the point you are making. That everyone should be able to cheat the immigration system?

That if enforcing the rules against a popular sports star would be unduly harsh, so would enforcing them against anyone else.

One man's modus ponens is another man's modus tollens, but clearly something isn't right about how these laws are applied at the moment.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

throw123123123 wrote: post #72
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #62

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> Simply allow immigrants to vote. You've just given me a great business idea. Votes for hire. I bet I could charge a fortune, and I would only have to pass a small fraction of that on to the immigrants I employ.

Why is that different to money for votes?

Simple - money for votes requires registered voters. My scheme - erm, "business plan" - just needs unregistered immigrants! Way easier to enact, because they're undocumented to begin with!

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Post by hnhg »

thrown_22 wrote: post #74
sangnoir wrote: post #70

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> It's the working and middle classes that are most harmed by immigration. Didn't farmers complain that British (working class?)citizens[1] weren't up for picking fruits after East Europeans hit the Brexit? The same working & middle class rely on cheap fruits, so it's not a simple equation where fewer immigrants = better jobs. 1. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-61568286

I'm not sure how to respond without being glib, but there's more to life than fruit. Safe working conditions are worth 5 pound strawberries.

Why do you assume they're unsafe? That's not in the article. It appears you've created a strawman.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by kragen »

worik wrote: post #65
notch656a wrote: post #33

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You don't understand that if society provides you no benefits, and you pay into taxes from otherwise (sans the fact you're an illegal immigrant) legitimate labor, it's almost impossible to be a net drain?

I think you may be labouring under the burden of prejudice.

No, he's pretty much right. As an illegal immigrant, I still have to pay all kinds of taxes, but it's really hard and sometimes dangerous to access many of the public services those taxes provide. Public goods like roads, street lights, and the fact that armed robbers find it more convenient to leave me alive instead of dead, those I can benefit from. But I'm reluctant to report crimes to the police, I had a hell of a time getting a covid vaccination, and I'm not going to get any retirement money from the government when I'm too senile to work. At least I can still audit classes at the university.

I'm not much of an "agitator on one of the sides". I can't afford to be an agitator, I might get deported. I'm just telling you what my life is like.

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