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Post by tootie »

noobermin wrote: post #299
hsn915 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really any different than the US. Lots of information tends to be "widely known" online to those who care to dig, but the mainstream outlets stick to some narrative that is best described as "half truth".

Case in point, the death of Epstein.

The death of Epstein was reported based on the observable facts. Realistically, he probably killed himself and he probably never had any incriminating evidence on anyone to warrant a hit. The conspiracy theories are all 99% speculation. The fact that notable people travelled with him isn't proof of anything. We have some actual evidence against Prince Andrew and it's all gotten in the press. We have no proof on anyone or anything else beyond what was charged in court against him and Maxwell. Reporting anything else would be unethical and unprofessional.

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Post by flobosg »

alisonatwork wrote: post #217
dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

This happens all over the world. The new president of Philippines is the son of a former president. In Pakistan two members of the Bhutto family have been PM and another was president. In Chile there was the Allende family, in America there is the Kennedys and the Clintons and dozens more examples below the presidency. I don't think it should be surprising that politicians can have family members who also make a care…

> In Chile there was the Allende family

A much better example would be the Frei family, with both Eduardo Frei Montalva and his son, Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle, having served as presidents and several other members having different political positions. Frei Montalva, by the way, preceded Salvador Allende.

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Post by danielodievich »

dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

This situation is incredibly well covered by the book that I just finished called The Aristocracy of Talent - How Meritocracy Made the Modern World By Adrian Wooldridge. It is a riveting read covering the history of how power was passed through (father->son) for a long time, how it changed with meritocracy in last 200 years and how it is currently going back, with a twist. Great review https://www.city-journal.org/review-of-the-aristocracy-of-ta.... A worthy and very relevant read for current troubled times

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Post by flobosg »

maire wrote: post #316
brightball wrote: post #306

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I ran it through Google Translate because I was curious. It appears to be something called the Unification Church? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church > The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, widely known as the Unification Church or Unificationism, is a new religious movement whose members are called Unificationists and sometimes colloquially Moonies.[2] It was officially founded on 1 Ma…

Moonies used to be a big deal at college campuses in California. When my husband and I went to Berkeley in the 1970s, the Moonies were everywhere. They did many questionable things before fading away. My husband is 4 years older than me - so he was not as aware of their recruitment practices. He said he was invited to dinner by a very attractive young woman who kept flirting with him all through dinner. She then invi…

Moonies were prevalent in Chile later on, during the late 90s. The press would refer to them as “la secta Moon” (the Moon cult).

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Post by tootie »

bink wrote: post #347
SoftTalker wrote: post #334

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Yep I remember the "Moonie" cult in the news from the 1970s. They seemed to fade out after a while, like most fads do. I had no idea they were still operating.

They still own and publish the Washington Times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

Abe gave a speech at a Unification Church event commemorating 9/11 in 2021. The keynote speaker was Donald Trump:

https://twitter.com/koryodynasty/status/1436866339113627648?...

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Post by mellosouls »

dang wrote: post #386
mellosouls wrote: post #48

Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation. It is quite striking in the UK and US how mainstream media will be remarkably coy about identifying the cultural background of some criminals while straight off the bat into condemnatory opinion…

" Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's directly relevant to the point (by a Western journalist) about Japan's "status as a democratic nation" which can presumably be turned right back on us.

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Post by Larrikin »

maire wrote: post #316
brightball wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran it through Google Translate because I was curious. It appears to be something called the Unification Church? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church > The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, widely known as the Unification Church or Unificationism, is a new religious movement whose members are called Unificationists and sometimes colloquially Moonies.[2] It was officially founded on 1 Ma…

Moonies used to be a big deal at college campuses in California. When my husband and I went to Berkeley in the 1970s, the Moonies were everywhere. They did many questionable things before fading away. My husband is 4 years older than me - so he was not as aware of their recruitment practices. He said he was invited to dinner by a very attractive young woman who kept flirting with him all through dinner. She then invi…

What would happen at the retreat? Just indoctrination?

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Post by OJFord »

Phlarp wrote: post #382
OJFord wrote: post #370

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Surely that can only work at the will of the government - if I'm the German chancellor and decide I don't like it, I can just tweet that I'll be making a statement outside my front door; the first time all the blogger hacks will show up and get a great scoop; the second time everyone will?

So instead a foreign company gets all that power?

Well for one Twitter was just an example, more that that is what I imagine they would probably use than anything else, not central to the point.

But also, I'm not saying it's better or whatever or making any sort of judgement? I'm just saying I don't think the media-led organisation has 'all that power' - they'll just go where all the news is, because it's their job, and the government (currently) lets that be where they want?

Twitter doesn't have any more power in that example, it's also just the avenue my hypothetical chancellor self chose to announce a press conference, he could have done it on Facebook, or Volksbook, or whatever, it's up to him, that was my point.

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Post by jphsnsir »

maire wrote: post #316
brightball wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran it through Google Translate because I was curious. It appears to be something called the Unification Church? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church > The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, widely known as the Unification Church or Unificationism, is a new religious movement whose members are called Unificationists and sometimes colloquially Moonies.[2] It was officially founded on 1 Ma…

Moonies used to be a big deal at college campuses in California. When my husband and I went to Berkeley in the 1970s, the Moonies were everywhere. They did many questionable things before fading away. My husband is 4 years older than me - so he was not as aware of their recruitment practices. He said he was invited to dinner by a very attractive young woman who kept flirting with him all through dinner. She then invi…

What happened at the retreats? Quick search gave no answers...

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Post by Terr_ »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #287
jmcgough wrote: post #188

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They aren't nearly as influential as you might think, especially in modern times. Maybe they were during the cold war or when they protested in support of Nixon. Their media reach is pretty limited, The Washington Times has a small number of readers. Edit: to the comment about $2B: that's almost mostly belonging to the founder who takes his money from followers. $2B is 130k a person when we're talking about 15,000 fo…

A big reason they aren't as influential anymore is because Reverend Moon died, and there is currently a battle royale going on between his widow and some of his batshit insane kids [1] over his fortune. The True World Foods story is truly fascinating to me. Since slavery is illegal, better to get true believers to work long and hard nearly for free. 1. https://www.the-sun.com/news/us-news/2977349/inside-maga-sup...

This article [1] is a bit more informative on the history and soap-opera dynastic schism.

I don't have firsthand knowledge of it all, but I do know some ex-Moonies who've spoken of their efforts to safely detach their still-adherent relatives.

1. https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/530522/lengthy-lawsu...

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