The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe • Hacker News Board

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by atwood22 » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

kragen wrote: post #284

rtpg wrote: post #233

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This article is within the more general context, but we have the words of the assassin, discussion by the police of not wanting to discuss the church specifically for the “obvious” reasons, the mother of the assassin being identified by the church as being a member… “it happened because of X” is maybe very strong but lots of the story does align and is being corroborated.

What were the words of the assassin?

> “My family joined that religion and our life became harder after donating money to the organization,” Tetsuya Yamagami, who is unemployed, was quoted by the sources as telling police. “I had wanted to target the top official of the organization, but it was difficult. So, I took aim at Abe since I believed that he was tied (to the organization). I wanted to kill him.”

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14665352

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by SoftTalker » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 4:57 PM UTC

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #162

iso1631 wrote: post #141

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And online people have to effectively renew a license from Google to broadcast

Not really. TV station: You operate without a license or outside of its bounds, you've committed a criminal act. The government can use their monopoly on force to compel you to give up your resources (fines) or your freedom (jail time). Youtube: You break the terms of service and are no longer allowed to use their service. There are other video platforms, there are ways to self host video. No one needs a "license" fr…

Google markets YouTube as a platform for everyone. Anyone can open an account. There is no membership fee, or political party affiliation required. Their advertising rates and revenue depend on having the largest possible audience. They present themselves as a "public square" and thus should be obligated to allow free speech as one has at a public square.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by chongli » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 4:57 PM UTC

filoeleven wrote: post #317

stevenjgarner wrote: post #260

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Thought provoking. I would love to see that article extended to include artists - e.g. musicians like Johann Sebastian Bach, whose father Johann Ambrosius Bach was a violinist employed in Erfurt (who was twin brother to Johann Christoph Bach another great Baroque musician). These brothers were the sons of Christoph Bach, court musician in Germany. On the descendent side, Johann's fifth child and second surviving son…

I see that P.D.Q. Bach is still being ignored and treated as some kind of joke. The Wikipedia article doesn’t even mention him.

Wikipedia does have an article on P.D.Q. Bach [1]. Do you have any sources to contradict the article’s claim that he’s a fictional character?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._D._Q._Bach

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by SoftTalker » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

maire wrote: post #316

brightball wrote: post #306

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I ran it through Google Translate because I was curious. It appears to be something called the Unification Church? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church > The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, widely known as the Unification Church or Unificationism, is a new religious movement whose members are called Unificationists and sometimes colloquially Moonies.[2] It was officially founded on 1 Ma…

Moonies used to be a big deal at college campuses in California. When my husband and I went to Berkeley in the 1970s, the Moonies were everywhere. They did many questionable things before fading away. My husband is 4 years older than me - so he was not as aware of their recruitment practices. He said he was invited to dinner by a very attractive young woman who kept flirting with him all through dinner. She then invi…

Yep I remember the "Moonie" cult in the news from the 1970s. They seemed to fade out after a while, like most fads do. I had no idea they were still operating.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by atwood22 » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #301

alisonatwork wrote: post #268

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Politicians don't really need to be good at policy. They have people to do that. They just need to be charismatic - able to capture the imagination of a constituency, and able to persuade other politicians to support their platform. Of course it'd be nice if our politicians were well-educated in the details of the policies they are championing, and if they could independently reason about the pros and cons, but reali…

Honestly right now it feels like the Liberal Party is completely asleep at the wheel and there's a total absence of leadership at the moment and lots of ministerial files seem completely unmanaged or poorly managed. They were able to ride out the pandemic with some overall reasonable policies, and most of the stuff that annoyed people fell on the provinces. But they're clearly having a hard time transitioning now, an…

I can tell you're very passionate about these issues. I think you're falling into a trap, however, that has basically consumed the U.S. and all but ensured its fall from grace. I live in the U.S., but spend a large amount of time in Canada (3 months of the year). Canada is a great country compared to the U.S. Income inequality is much lower than in the U.S., you have decent health care, a sizable "blue collar" industry, the social fabric is strong, the people are nice, the country is stable, the nature is beautiful, etc. etc. etc.

While Canada certainly has problems, I think it's important to remember that while things can certainly be better, that doesn't mean things are bad. The Rogers incident, for instance. It would be better if the incident didn't happen, but is really not worth being angry over. In the U.S., people seem to have forgotten this and began to get angry over why things weren't "better" even though things were really good. This divided the country, allowed a large percentage of the population to be controlled by outrage, and the aftermath is playing out right before our eyes. Before getting angry, try to identify all the things you have to be grateful for.

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Post by anonAndOn » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

kevinmchugh wrote: post #278

Smithalicious wrote: post #220

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I don't think it's that weird. You wouldn't think much of a famous cook being the son of another famous cook, or likewise for a famous athlete, chess player, religious leader, etc. A child is influenced by their parents through both nature (genetics) and nurture (childrearing). Of course stuff like connections, name recognition, favors and backroom deals are a thing as well which are various levels of bad and prevent…

There's different ways to think about it but it's pretty rare for both a patent and child to be great athletes, at least in the same sport. It happens, there's exceptions. Michael Jordan's sons didn't play professional basketball. For elite sports, having an elite athlete parent has low predictive power.

Pro athletes beget pro athletes All. The. Time.

Cherry picking some of the NBAs MVPs, you might not remember Dell Curry[0], but you probably know one or both(!) of his sons who play in the NBA. Or there's Joe Bryant[1] whose son eclipsed his career in the NBA.

Or, here's a fun sport switching family. Sometimes the athletic gene is so strong, four of the great-grandsons go pro.[2]

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Curry [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bryant [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Gronkowski

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Post by rasz » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

Speaking of family cronyism, cults and assassinations lets not forget SKorea Park Geun-hye and her father Park Chung-hee.

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Post by cmrdporcupine » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 5:05 PM UTC

eloff wrote: post #325

im3w1l wrote: post #295

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Politicians need to pick skilled policymakers. This can be done either by being good at policy themselves so that they can identify this skill in others, or by having above average people skills so they can identify it that way.

Trudeau's policy picks were to check boxes on unwritten gender and race quotas. They are unlikely to have been the best people for the positions, because that wasn't the criteria being applied. Some people might take umbrage at me calling it out like that, but it sure looks like that's what actually happened. It was affirmative action to score political points. I don't like or agree with affirmative action as a polic…

Frankly most of Trudeau's initial cabinet picks were just Chretien era loyalists.

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Post by asveikau » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

Mandelmus wrote: post #61

asveikau wrote: post #52

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Your thinly veiled accusation of racism notwithstanding, I don’t think there’s anything morally deplorable in thinking the media should help the public build a more statistically representative model of the world we live in, regardless of the cultural background of criminals. As an example, I don’t think the demographic of young white guys fare too well in the mass shooter statistic, but omitting this reality isn’t o…

Personally I think it's a huge red flag when people talk about "criminals" as a noun. There is no Homo criminalis distinct from Homo sapiens. Most people should not be branded as such a category for the rest of their lives. Many people are also falsely accused, and the system in the United States is especially bad at that.

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Post by muyuu » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 5:08 PM UTC

thematrixturtle wrote: post #33

Larrikin wrote: post #25

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It was explained to me when I lived in Japan, that while there are many Japanese media companies that exist independently in Japan, they all have to go to one central government body to renew their licenses to exist. They get some leeway but it's it's not much

It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs). Basically, if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news. https://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/an-impregnable-fortress...

are we pretending that access to govt info and its subsequent quid-pro-quo is not a MSM dynamic basically everywhere?