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The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by g5095 »

"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the 'religious group' that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation."

I'm struggling to understand the author's bias here (there clearly is one), are they claiming that the poor reflection on Japan as a democracy is:

- that the media has not reported an unsubstantiated 'speculation'? (sounds like good journalism?)

- that that politicians have religious beliefs? (separation of religion and state shouldn't forbid religious people holding office, just from mandating it)

- that the murderer was anti-religiously motivated? (sign of a hate crime)

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by nier »

> He adds that Shintaro Abe, Kishi’s son and Shinzo Abe’s father, “depended upon ‘Moonies’ in his election campaigns.”

They got the family situation wrong. Shintaro Abe is Nobusuke Kishi’s son-in-law not his son.

From Wikipedia:

> Shintaro Abe married Yoko Kishi [ja], daughter of Prime Minister Nobusuke Kishi, in 1951.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shintaro_Abe

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by g5095 »

jsnk wrote: post #13

I would like to wait more for more information. This speculation seems incomplete and premature, and in the end, likely, inaccurate. Political assassinations rarely stem from one particular situation or event, but accumulation of beliefs and world view over a long period of time. He may stated his disdain for Abe to be his connection with the religious organization, but that can easily be just one of many reasons tha…

This is a great point, the 'motivation' seems incredibly shallow and one dimensional.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by Larrikin »

tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

It was explained to me when I lived in Japan, that while there are many Japanese media companies that exist independently in Japan, they all have to go to one central government body to renew their licenses to exist. They get some leeway but it's it's not much

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by uwagar »

chrischen wrote: post #3
ETHisso2017 wrote: post #2

Nobusuke Kishi (Abe's grandfather) has an extremely interesting backstory: > As a self-described "playboy of the Eastern world", Kishi was known during his four years in Manchukuo for his lavish spending amid much drinking, gambling, and womanizing.[34] Kishi spent almost all of his time in Manchukuo's capital, Hsinking (modern Changchun, China) with the exception of monthly trips to Dalian on the world famous Asia E…

There's definitely a culture of brothels that still exists thats pretty foreign to the West. You won't really hear about it because Japanese people don't just offer there stories up to foreigners... but I've had sources inform me of places where people can go for orgies (in a way Americans may casually visit a strip club which is a toned down version of this) and I believe in some cases can even be expensed to the bu…

interesting. any books or websites to find out more about this culture?

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by shard972 »

g5095 wrote: post #21

"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the 'religious group' that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation." I'm struggling to understand the author's bias here (there clearly is one), are they claiming that the poor reflection on Japan as a democracy is: - that the media has not reported an unsubsta…

The 3rd I believe. The point of the article is to show Abe's connection to the church through political alliances developed since his grandfather and the Japanese media is at some level seeking to downplay the prevalence of anti-religious extremism.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by ehvatum »

hugh-avherald wrote: post #14
tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

It's also quite chauvinist to suggest that the major newspapers cannot arrive at the same conclusion about disclosure independently, and pretty ignorant to imply that suppressing information is inconsistent with democracy.

> pretty ignorant to imply that suppressing information is inconsistent with democracy

It sort of is inconsistent with democracy. People should know for whom and for what they vote.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by ekianjo »

Larrikin wrote: post #25
tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

It was explained to me when I lived in Japan, that while there are many Japanese media companies that exist independently in Japan, they all have to go to one central government body to renew their licenses to exist. They get some leeway but it's it's not much

all these news organizations in Japan are nothing but government mouthpieces. When Abe was in power the journalists could not stop singing his praises and how smart the whole "Abenomics" was supposed to be.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by laurieg »

tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

If you are interested in the media in Japan and how it chooses to report or not report news I recommend the book "Exposure: Inside the Olympus Scandal". It tells the story of loss hiding at Olympus. Especially interesting are the chapters about how difficult it was to get any news coverage of some extremely suspicious things.
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