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The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pharrington »

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #2

Nobusuke Kishi (Abe's grandfather) has an extremely interesting backstory: > As a self-described "playboy of the Eastern world", Kishi was known during his four years in Manchukuo for his lavish spending amid much drinking, gambling, and womanizing.[34] Kishi spent almost all of his time in Manchukuo's capital, Hsinking (modern Changchun, China) with the exception of monthly trips to Dalian on the world famous Asia E…

"extremely interesting backstory" is definitely one way to describe Nobusuke Kishi's time as the army officer who was in charge of Manchukuo. "Vile history" is the phrase I'd personally use.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by ngcc_hk »

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #2

Nobusuke Kishi (Abe's grandfather) has an extremely interesting backstory: > As a self-described "playboy of the Eastern world", Kishi was known during his four years in Manchukuo for his lavish spending amid much drinking, gambling, and womanizing.[34] Kishi spent almost all of his time in Manchukuo's capital, Hsinking (modern Changchun, China) with the exception of monthly trips to Dalian on the world famous Asia E…

China is a source of, a threat of and competitor of china. It has tried to invade japan (and japan to Korea plus the whole china). This geo-political game will be played out in the coming decades, with Taiwan, Korea and USA all in.

Individual… some of the grands of his as prime minister important.

Sex part not that much. The founder of modern china has a few Japanese women and even had a daughter there. Not to mention his well known name is actually adopted from his Japanese name.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by jsnk »

I would like to wait more for more information. This speculation seems incomplete and premature, and in the end, likely, inaccurate.

Political assassinations rarely stem from one particular situation or event, but accumulation of beliefs and world view over a long period of time. He may stated his disdain for Abe to be his connection with the religious organization, but that can easily be just one of many reasons that he believes have re-enforced him to commit assassination.

The assassin went through a lot of trouble and difficulty building his own gun and ammos. I think it's probably more likely that there's more political and ideological motivation behind his action than just Abe's roundabout connection to the church that ruined his mother. It's just too speculative and unlikely for now until there's more evidence.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by hugh-avherald »

tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

It's also quite chauvinist to suggest that the major newspapers cannot arrive at the same conclusion about disclosure independently, and pretty ignorant to imply that suppressing information is inconsistent with democracy.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by SllX »

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #9
tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

Why aren't the major Japanese media outlets covering this angle before the polls close in Japan's upper house elections (today)?

Isn’t it controversial whether or not he did have a connection? There is a value of free speech in Japan but it’s not exactly like America’s, and I think the Japanese media would mostly avoid stirring the pot immediately prior to an election, and especially for a claim that may be unfounded.

I won’t argue whether their approach is the right one or not and this is just my opinion, but that seems like that would be why the major papers wouldn’t want to cover this angle to me.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by hsn915 »

tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

It's not really any different than the US.

Lots of information tends to be "widely known" online to those who care to dig, but the mainstream outlets stick to some narrative that is best described as "half truth".

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by implements »

chrischen wrote: post #3
ETHisso2017 wrote: post #2

Nobusuke Kishi (Abe's grandfather) has an extremely interesting backstory: > As a self-described "playboy of the Eastern world", Kishi was known during his four years in Manchukuo for his lavish spending amid much drinking, gambling, and womanizing.[34] Kishi spent almost all of his time in Manchukuo's capital, Hsinking (modern Changchun, China) with the exception of monthly trips to Dalian on the world famous Asia E…

There's definitely a culture of brothels that still exists thats pretty foreign to the West. You won't really hear about it because Japanese people don't just offer there stories up to foreigners... but I've had sources inform me of places where people can go for orgies (in a way Americans may casually visit a strip club which is a toned down version of this) and I believe in some cases can even be expensed to the bu…

Watching “Midnight Diner” on Netflix I was struck by a much more casual acceptance of stripping and prostitution than I would have expected.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by m-ee »

pharrington wrote: post #11
ETHisso2017 wrote: post #2

Nobusuke Kishi (Abe's grandfather) has an extremely interesting backstory: > As a self-described "playboy of the Eastern world", Kishi was known during his four years in Manchukuo for his lavish spending amid much drinking, gambling, and womanizing.[34] Kishi spent almost all of his time in Manchukuo's capital, Hsinking (modern Changchun, China) with the exception of monthly trips to Dalian on the world famous Asia E…

"extremely interesting backstory" is definitely one way to describe Nobusuke Kishi's time as the army officer who was in charge of Manchukuo. "Vile history" is the phrase I'd personally use.

Even vile doesn't quite cover the scale of the horror, especially Unit 731

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Manchukuo

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by ngcc_hk »

Do not quite get the last line. All democratic countries have church played a part and individual tried to … let us say Catholic Church and scandals of … no politicians involved totally ?

The downplay is odd. But that might be cautious. We will see.

Democracy … not see what reflect ….

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