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Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Why do you need to kill weeds? Adapt and stop having lawns.

If you put glyphosate on your lawn, you will stop having a lawn. Glyphosate kills grass. Nobody uses it on lawns.

Can confirm, after spilling some on my lawn while mixing a sprayer batch.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Well, if it truly is tied to cancer, I'll be sure to let Hacker News know. Back in college I was paid $50 to wear a backpack sprayer loaded with the stuff and go nuclear on a guy's weed-infested garden. Backpack sprayers leak, so I got glyphosate all over my skin, my back in particular. It's been a little more than 10 years, so nothing, but then again, I'm also only 32, live a fairly healthy lifestyle, and have no fa…

Exposure to carcinogens doesn't guarantee that you will get cancer.

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Not knowing anything about glyphosate, I went to the article before reading the comments. I’ll just put this here because it was clear the researchers wanted to be sure people see it. From the first paragraph of the article—> > In 2015, the International Agency for Research on Cancer determined that glyphosate is a “probable human carcinogen” (IARC, 2015). However, the European Food Safety Authority and the Joint Foo…

Monsanto settled a batch of civil cases regarding Roundup for $10bn. No one settle’s for that sum unless they’re guilty. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/business/roundup-settleme...

That’s not how lawsuits work. At all.

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How far off are we from having drones that mechanically remove weeds at a reasonable cost? It's ridiculous that we put up with spraying sketchy chemicals on our food. We can build loyal wingman drones to kill enemy aircraft but we can't kill weeds?? Edit: I'm talking about farming, not lawns. RTFA

Are weeds so bad they warrant this cancer risk?

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This is bad journalism. Glyphosate is not “linked” to cancer. Sone groups think it is “probably” a carcinogen but most every governing body around the world says it is not as there’s no proof of the link at all. This is probably not journalism but rather propaganda designed to rally public support around glyphosate bans which we have seen in Germany and now the Netherlands. Farmers can still use it of course, but the…

just to generalized bad health and possibly celiac disease I'd say that part of the problem is that this chemical makes the gut flora sick, not the human... but given as the gut bacteria are symbiotic with us, we also suffer negative consequces which are harder to explain with strictly reductionist biomechanics also I keep in mind the economic incentives and the sorry state of academic funding

Is having celiac correlated with this?

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Safer than eating glyphosate (people actually do this).

"Safer" oh boy... That's why it's hard to take some "nature is perfect" people seriously (of course it's dose dependant, but don't eat manure. period) Here's a good writeup https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880910/

Safer depends how much cow manure is eaten vs how much glyphosate.

Although cow manure also has various microorganisms in it so if you got really unlucky with the wrong type of even one of those in the manure a little bit of shit could make you very sick (edit: as you point out, but my point is eating more shit exposes you to more of these on average).

Don’t eat shit or drink 1000x or 1000000x doses of something that’s safe at 1x people.

no idea where glyphosate exposure sits but even if it’s safe at normal exposure, don’t just drink it ok?

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Bees won't survive until it (if ever) happens. We are likely too. It is like relying on aliens to bring peace on Earth. Outlawing glyphosate would fix it (people did agriculture before 1974 (without drones)). Though it is almost as unlikely as aliens.

>people did agriculture before 1974 (without drones) We've added about 3.8 billion people to the planet since then. I'm not saying that we can't feed the world without glyphosate, but "Let's just do it like we did in '74!" doesn't account for the fact that we need a lot more food today.

All the chemical inputs to farms make them unprofitable. Each year takes more input to make the farm work. We broke the ecosystem, nitrogen cycle and phosphate cycle by tilling, monocropping, and chemical input. The way we farm kills the soil.

We can support the population without chemical inputs if we manage the land differently. It takes about 3 years to transition to a regenerative management style. That is how long it takes to bring the soil back to life. After the transition period inputs are minimal and yields are similar to chemical farming.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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How far off are we from having drones that mechanically remove weeds at a reasonable cost? It's ridiculous that we put up with spraying sketchy chemicals on our food. We can build loyal wingman drones to kill enemy aircraft but we can't kill weeds?? Edit: I'm talking about farming, not lawns. RTFA

Are weeds so bad they warrant this cancer risk?

Depends on the weed, really. Nuke Toxicodendron from orbit.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bees won't survive until it (if ever) happens. We are likely too. It is like relying on aliens to bring peace on Earth. Outlawing glyphosate would fix it (people did agriculture before 1974 (without drones)). Though it is almost as unlikely as aliens.

>people did agriculture before 1974 (without drones) We've added about 3.8 billion people to the planet since then. I'm not saying that we can't feed the world without glyphosate, but "Let's just do it like we did in '74!" doesn't account for the fact that we need a lot more food today.

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