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Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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How far off are we from having drones that mechanically remove weeds at a reasonable cost? It's ridiculous that we put up with spraying sketchy chemicals on our food. We can build loyal wingman drones to kill enemy aircraft but we can't kill weeds?? Edit: I'm talking about farming, not lawns. RTFA

https://carbonrobotics.com/ identifies weeds and kills them with lasers - so no chemicals at all.

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Monsanto settled a batch of civil cases regarding Roundup for $10bn. No one settle’s for that sum unless they’re guilty. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/business/roundup-settleme...

Behind a paywall so I can't see the details, but note that nowadays when you buy Roundup it has a lot more then glyphosate in it, and I trust that "a lot more" far less than if it was just glyphosate.

Archived copy: https://archive.today/qfCEV

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How far off are we from having drones that mechanically remove weeds at a reasonable cost? It's ridiculous that we put up with spraying sketchy chemicals on our food. We can build loyal wingman drones to kill enemy aircraft but we can't kill weeds?? Edit: I'm talking about farming, not lawns. RTFA

Why do you need to kill weeds? Adapt and stop having lawns.

If you put glyphosate on your lawn, you will stop having a lawn. Glyphosate kills grass. Nobody uses it on lawns.

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How far off are we from having drones that mechanically remove weeds at a reasonable cost? It's ridiculous that we put up with spraying sketchy chemicals on our food. We can build loyal wingman drones to kill enemy aircraft but we can't kill weeds?? Edit: I'm talking about farming, not lawns. RTFA

Robotic weed-zapping lasers.[1] Can't make this stuff up.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2021/11/02/self-dr...

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#75
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Mister organic farmer, here is a plate of cow manure, eat it.

Safer than eating glyphosate (people actually do this).

"Safer" oh boy...

That's why it's hard to take some "nature is perfect" people seriously

(of course it's dose dependant, but don't eat manure. period)

Here's a good writeup https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880910/

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How far off are we from having drones that mechanically remove weeds at a reasonable cost? It's ridiculous that we put up with spraying sketchy chemicals on our food. We can build loyal wingman drones to kill enemy aircraft but we can't kill weeds?? Edit: I'm talking about farming, not lawns. RTFA

I thought weed and bugs are the least of the problems. It's more disease and the fact that you are farming the same monoculture extremely dense on the same plot over and over again.

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that's ridiculous it also messes up digestive systems, gluten intolerance. the chemical is BAD and does cause cancer.

Let me express my utter lack of confidence in your statement's connection to reality. The "gluten intolerance" should be a strong warning sign of Woo.

There’s not a well established link between gluten intolerance and glyphosate, but:

> Fish exposed to glyphosate develop digestive problems that are reminiscent of celiac disease. Celiac disease is associated with imbalances in gut bacteria that can be fully explained by the known effects of glyphosate on gut bacteria

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/

This isn’t made up woo. It’s a real potential link that needs to be fully explored not dismissed.

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I recommend you remind yourself of the HN rules. The evidence that glyphosate in fold causes cancer is currently really weak, albeit enough to convince a lay jury.

The reply to which you replied is flagged and killed. It was not a very hot reply. It did not break the "guidelines". Well worded and informative actually.

This is telling.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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"Tied to cancer" in the sense of "if you torture data long enough, it will confess."

In a sense of here mister lobbyist this is a glass of perfectly safe glyphosate, drink it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA

The dose makes the poison. It’s possible for a chemical to be perfectly safe if ingested in low quantities but dangerous in extremely high quantities. The duration of exposure for the same dose matters a lot too. Drinking glyphosate could be a much larger acute exposure so it’s perfectly reasonable to say it’s safe as normally used but not want to drink it. For example, you need trace amounts of copper to live, but very large doses can damage the liver. You’d need to take actual measurements to determine at what dose glyphosate becomes dangerous, and compare that to actual use. The whole “I could drink it” thing is just bullshitting, but so is the reverse.
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