Large-scale ‘sand battery’ goes online in Finland

Post by jeshin » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 4:03 AM UTC

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> gas supplies in question were not covered by sanctions, but Russia tried to unilaterally switch to being paid in roubles I don’t think this is a very honest characterization: Russia demanded payment on their terms only after they were kicked out of SWIFT and their reserves frozen by foreign banks. I don’t think I’d describe that change in payment terms in response to bank sanctions as “unilateral” or unrelated to s…

"only after they were kicked out of SWIFT and their reserves frozen by foreign banks." This is a response to an invasion of another country. Maybe I'm reading your tone wrong but "only after" seems to imply this was unjustified or at the least had no reason behind it.

Post by Spooky23 » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 4:30 AM UTC

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> As a German living in a city with mandatory district heating... the end result is to be that people seem pay more for heating than they would with a decentralised system. So, in America, it is very common for hot water tanks to suddenly fail, leaking water everywhere and causing massive amounts of property damage and even creating health hazards through mold. In a not-insane world, all hot water tanks would come wi…

This comment is wrong on many levels. Hot water heaters should last a lot longer, and when they fail it’s probably a faulty thermostat or short. Still, water heaters get a drain pan to catch leaks. Lastly, installing a leak detectors are trivial and common. Your condo may have been a bad install or not installed to code. America moves hot water just fine. EDIT: yes water heaters can fail. Usually due to bad install,…

Post by throwaway742 » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 4:48 AM UTC

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One problem is that people never replace their sacrificial anode. Most people don't even know it exists.

They last as long as the expected tank life these days. Tanks with longer life rating use powered rods.

Post by osigurdson » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:01 AM UTC

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> As a German living in a city with mandatory district heating... the end result is to be that people seem pay more for heating than they would with a decentralised system. So, in America, it is very common for hot water tanks to suddenly fail, leaking water everywhere and causing massive amounts of property damage and even creating health hazards through mold. In a not-insane world, all hot water tanks would come wi…

Disagree with all of this. Hot water leaks are very rare. Water heater failure usually manifests as cold showers and a quick replacement unit from a plumber. Drain pan with a hose is a more reliable protection than a sensor. Sensors are much more likely to give annoying false positives than to prevent damage; you can see from Rheem discussion forums that they’re not appreciated.

Post by hnov » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:20 AM UTC

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As a German living in a city with mandatory district heating... the end result is to be that people seem pay more for heating than they would with a decentralised system. I think that's mostly due to the high upkeep costs of the system, though, the transmission loss is quite manageable, I think. Of course there are arguments to be made that when accounting for the cost of installing a heating system, and the space it…

Here in Poland we pay much LESS with district heating than decentralized one. If I would have to pay for decentralized heating of my flat, I'd need to use natural gas. But even before nat gas proces went to the moon, it was at least Here in Poland we pay much LESS with district heating than decentralized one 2x more expensive than district heating