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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by harpic »

anon261114 wrote: post #59
smashah wrote: post #5

It's concerning that YC is funding companies that are so aligned with BJP bigotry that they comply with invasion of privacy requests without a court order.

I give zero sympathy or support to BJP and its destruction of India's democratic institutions. Yet, I can't agree with your comment. First, I don't think Razorpay supports BJP or its bigotry, at least openly. One indicator of that is that they have retained critical media like AltNews and Wire as customers from years. I don't think they'd do that if they were pro-BJP or pro-bigotry. Plus, I've noticed that rightwing…

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Post by worker_person »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #97
RicoElectrico wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India is weird. It's not really called authoritarian (rankings don't classify it as such), but there are many similar stories of government dysfunction and overreach. Maybe someone else has a word for them?

The India system is essentially a system of “who you know”. Anyone who grew up in India knows that if you’re a powerful bureaucrat, cop, or politician, you can do whatever you want. The law doesn’t really apply to you. The only exception is if you manage to piss off someone higher up in the power hierarchy. Its not so much as authoritarian as it is Darwinian.

I can't find it now, There was an old article talking about a Zombie party in India. Basically bribing an official to get someone declared dead was easy. Getting it fixed was basically impossible. There was some guy running for office who was legally dead.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by wtmt »

ad93611 wrote: post #41

I’m a startup founder where most of our employees are based in India. I don’t condone this move by Razorpay. However, as someone else pointed out, the legal process in India is not robust, and it is biased toward people in power. Here are some constructive ways to avoid situations like this: 1. Register your company outside of India. The US is an excellent option because of the solid legal framework. 2. Encrypt the d…

Unfortunately, the data part won’t work very well because of the strict data localization laws that require financial data to be stored in India. Related to this, Amex and MasterCard were banned from issuing new cards in India. The ban on MasterCard was removed recently (nearly a year later) after compliance. The ban on Amex is still not lifted.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by saimiam »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #91
methusala8 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can share ten stories where the offenders are Muslims and the victims are Hindus. Wire won't be covering those stories. This newspaper is as prejudiced against Hindus as it gets.

The Wire doesn’t need to cover them because mainstream media channels are already blasting them on primetime everyday. Amazing that in a country where there’s a Hindu in practically every single position of authority, Hindus still harbor such a deep seated victimization complex.

That’s exactly what I dont understand. It’s so ingrained. In my apartment complex’s (Indian residing in India here) WhatsApp group, we’ll have people whose WhatsApp numbers are from the Middle East but they’ll be fulminating about Muslims like the rules of irony don’t apply to them.

I just don’t understand what people are so angry about.

Everything is going as well as it could in a billion strong parliamentary democracy but people are still mad about old wounds.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by lifeplusplus »

ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

Heavy handed? They are straight up barbaric not democratic. More similar to China then democratic countries

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Post by worker_person »

flak48 wrote: post #76

This is the unfortunate reality of India; the government/police don't need to actually go to court. It can harass companies and executives by simply threatening to / actually carrying out unnecessary 'raids' through the tax department. The usual process is for the a bunch of policemen and beareaucrats to just show up unannounced; seal the office so that no one can enter or leave, and seize computers / phones, files a…

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Post by randomperson_24 »

actuator wrote: post #115
rdl wrote: post #45

I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an Indian lawyer, but if Razorpay received a Section 91 order ( https://indiankanoon.org/doc/788840/ ) they wouldn't have much choice on turning over any records. It looks to be the rough equivalent of third party doctrine in the US (which is also horrible). It can come from "any Court or any officer in charge of a police station". Banks and fintech in many countries are even more exposed t…

I don't think @dang will pin the above comment, but this needs to be higher here as the reply includes that they received a legal order. This is maligning the company unjustly.

And unfortunately you are getting downvoted :(

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by saimiam »

samarthr1 wrote: post #155
ptero wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with this approach is that a vague "because terrorism" can justify a heavy handed approach to a very large set of policies which have nothing to do with terrorism. And "because terrorism", "because covid", "because child abuse" become convenient tools for the government to force this or that policy on its citizens. It is a lot easier to claim "because terrorism" than to argue a policy on merits and respon…

I would like to remind you that ever since the current government came into power, the number of terrorist attacks in the major cities has drastically dropped. At one point of time, it used to be regular news to hear about the jihadists bombing places. I was about 8 or 9 when there was a bomb blast quite close to my house in Hyderabad. That was about 10 years ago. Folks in the west appear to condemn others but not th…

But that reduction in foreign terror attacks happened all over the world.

The Mumbai terror attack was followed by similar attacks in Paris where civilians going about their day were targeted.

That wave of terror is over, probably because ISIS and AQ are no longer the force they used to be.

Now it’s domestic terror and social polarization.

Don’t think these laws are the reason why foreign terror attacks reduced.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by fouric »

flak48 wrote: post #76

This is the unfortunate reality of India; the government/police don't need to actually go to court. It can harass companies and executives by simply threatening to / actually carrying out unnecessary 'raids' through the tax department. The usual process is for the a bunch of policemen and beareaucrats to just show up unannounced; seal the office so that no one can enter or leave, and seize computers / phones, files a…

Interestingly enough, if all of the above is true, then one can imagine that this very HN submission might be the work of a member of the Indian government/police wanting to increase pressure on Razorpay by applying negative PR to the company.

Post-truth world is not pretty.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by eldaisfish »

achow wrote: post #52
anovikov wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is billed as "world's largest democracy". Wtf is the bullshit we are made to believe? Why don't we just stop pretending and relabel most "democratic" countries as just "pro-Westnern"?

> billed as "world's largest democracy". Wtf is the bullshit we are made to believe? New York Times: “India is valued the world over for a great many things, but for three over others: the Taj Mahal, Mahatma Gandhi and India’s electoral democracy.” It is the 17th general election in India, being held in seven phases over 38 days. Nine hundred million Indians are registered to vote! Around 70 percent are expected to v…

India has a very effective and fair electoral system, that's about it. The other branches and foundations of a liberal democracy are either a sham or crumbling in India.

Minorities are routinely targeted, court judgments are filled with personal opinions... i could go on.

The mere existence of a voting system does not a full democracy make. Remember, Russia also has "elections".

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