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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by smashah »

methusala8 wrote: post #88
smashah wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

neutrality in the face of bigotry seems like alignment, or at least it's a sign of a larger problem which you've very clearly laid out. I think it's time to consider Boycotting, divestment and sanctions of India since it's flat-spinning into the clutches of full-on fascism. Very sad.

And India will reciprocate by boycotting all those countries which try to do this. But you are starting a new type of apartheid.

As is your right.

It will need to start from the individual level so I will be encouraging everyone around me to limit their exposure to Indian businesses.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by actuator »

ptero wrote: post #90
methusala8 wrote: post #65

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The problem with this approach is that a vague "because terrorism" can justify a heavy handed approach to a very large set of policies which have nothing to do with terrorism. And "because terrorism", "because covid", "because child abuse" become convenient tools for the government to force this or that policy on its citizens. It is a lot easier to claim "because terrorism" than to argue a policy on merits and respon…

Well, unlike west in India the impact of the said terrorism are much more visible. In the 90s and 2000s, all the major cities were having routine attacks by the said terrorists, so you can see why it is easier to gain sympathy on anything that can be seen to act on it. It is quite a big issue in the country.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by MrBlueIncognito »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #85
ahamedirshad123 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want him to refer India Today, Timesnow, republic, euro news, danik bhaskar and Dhinamalar? Or **opIndia?

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Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement applies here. You couldn't refute the central point of something you disagreed with, so you resorted to sarcasm and mockery. Perhaps it would've helped if you had a proper counterargument based on facts and reason. Maybe you could have encouraged us to see things the way you do, but the comment you just wrote will only serve to nudge us to disagree more strongly with you.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by actuator »

rdl wrote: post #45

I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an Indian lawyer, but if Razorpay received a Section 91 order ( https://indiankanoon.org/doc/788840/ ) they wouldn't have much choice on turning over any records. It looks to be the rough equivalent of third party doctrine in the US (which is also horrible). It can come from "any Court or any officer in charge of a police station". Banks and fintech in many countries are even more exposed t…

I don't think @dang will pin the above comment, but this needs to be higher here as the reply includes that they received a legal order. This is maligning the company unjustly.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by achow »

RicoElectrico wrote: post #18
ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

India is weird. It's not really called authoritarian (rankings don't classify it as such), but there are many similar stories of government dysfunction and overreach. Maybe someone else has a word for them?

Well so was the case in USA few years back.

It is not about govt per se (which is grappling with bigger issues - Russia, Srilanka..) but is about mid and lower level politicians, govt and police officers..

Also the pattern is inconsistent, some regions in India is polar opposite to this kind of right leanings - Ex. East of India. Some are neutral - most of South India. India is a large and complex country; the general sentiment is no different than looking at Ireland and thinking French politics generally sucks (or whatever appropriate example.. I have no clue how politics is in either of these countries).

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by omniglottal »

ahamedirshad123 wrote: post #78
methusala8 wrote: post #65

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Altnews don't receive payment from abroad. You know it well, and you won't say it here. We all know the reason.

No, actually, "we" don't all know whatever you're not talking about.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by monkey_monkey »

voakbasda wrote: post #98
parsimo2010 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corrupt is an appropriate word for this kind of behavior. The government does not officially condone the behavior, and it would probably function well if the policies were followed as written. But instead people get some power and abuse it. India is not unique, many countries struggle with corruption.

Many? Which countries do not suffer from corruption? This seems to be the human condition. As the old saying goes, “power corrupts…”. It’s not of question of “if” a country is corrupt, it is “how much”.

It's more a matter of scale and how embedded it is in everyday life.

Getting almost anything done without having to wait months / years / decades requires some form of black money payment ie a bribe.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

ptero wrote: post #90
methusala8 wrote: post #65

Quoted post unavailable.

The problem with this approach is that a vague "because terrorism" can justify a heavy handed approach to a very large set of policies which have nothing to do with terrorism. And "because terrorism", "because covid", "because child abuse" become convenient tools for the government to force this or that policy on its citizens. It is a lot easier to claim "because terrorism" than to argue a policy on merits and respon…

If terrorists attack Americans, they are called 'terrorists'.

If terrorists attack Indians, they are called 'militants' or simply 'fighters'.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

noufalibrahim wrote: post #82
methusala8 wrote: post #65

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I don't think AltNews received foreign funding. Nor was it possible for Razorpay to process the payment. Interestingly, it's possible for political parties to receive foreign funding (via. Electoral Bonds) without much transparency to the electorate about how much they receive.

Razorpay might be in trouble for processing foreign funds without FCRA approval.
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