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Absurd Trolley Problems

neal.fun

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Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

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I also reasoned that the trolly would be replaced. But with a newer, less polluting model. However I did not take into account the CO2 emissions and possible industrial accidents at the trolly factory or trolly materials mines.

Almost universally, the most eco friendly trolley (clothes, home) is the one you already have.

I agree, but interestingly, perhaps not for cars:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/aug/17/car-scra...

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

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Would you save a fit, healthy monkey that can communicate with us using sign language, or would you save a human in a permanent coma? (Or whose brain is damaged and will only ever have the mind of a 1 year old)

Wouldn't sacrifice any humans for a billion monkeys

If you were a monkey, would you sacrifice a billion humans to save a monkey?

Or equivalently, would you sacrifice a billion humans to save a robot that's twice as sentient as the average human?

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

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I'm surprised to see the popular answer to Question 3. > Oh no! A trolley is heading towards 5 people. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, but then your life savings will be destroyed. What do you do? Over 70% chose to pull the lever and destroy their life savings. People die of preventable causes in developing countries today. By choosing not to donate your life savings today to help them, you ar…

Silly random thoughts that went through my head at this question 1) Many people's life savings is 0. A bargain! 2) If _I_ were one of the five people, I'd try and make it up to the lever puller. Lever-guy might even come out ahead. 3) If I pull this lever right away in question 3, if there are later questions about giving up my life savings, they'll be free. This might be the value lever pull! I might be kicking myse…

Other people have worked a long, long time for their life savings, and it's very likely that, as appreciative as these people might be, it's just as likely that this person gets a sincere thank you but no financial compensation. In the right situation, I could see it leading to severe depression as the puller feels they gave up everything and nobody cares.

I still think you need to pull the lever.

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

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I have to take issue with 2) - for ethical and rational reasons I refuse to but a monetary value on people.

Contrary to popular belief, there's nothing unethical about attaching a price to a human life: it's a very uncomfortable question, and I think there ought to be some disagreement on what the number should be... But money is fundamentally just a unit of value. We use it to compare the value of different things. We can use it to convert between labour (someone's time, which is a fraction of one's life) and goods and se…

Thanks for the thoughtful comment. A lot of this thinking does line up for me, but it seems like there's something missing. Why do we all feel a little bit sick when we hear about car executives doing calculations to determine whether to perform a recall or not? Isn't it because we're putting a financial price on life? Or is it just that the price we're hearing is too low?

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

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It was interesting, although I was sort of expecting a more detailed summary of the results at the end (even just a recap of all the percentages, to see in what questions I deviated the most from the majority, would have been nice).

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

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Kill count: 84 Apparently I solved philosophy? Im gonna assume that title stays the same for everyone lol. So, explanation for why so high. Simply put; I don't believe 5 people really got tied to those rails each time. They are in on it somehow. If so, that is sick and twisted they would tie someone else to the rails purposely. So they deserve the trolley instead. Now on the chance that they really are all innocent;…

One at a time? You have a high level of confidence here that I'm not sure is warranted.

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

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Surprised on the answer to the “worst enemy” one. I wouldn’t really call anyone I know personally my worst enemy, so I figured it’d be someone like Mao or Hitler, and of course I’d just have it run them over. Do other people have a worst enemy in their life?

My worst enemy is the side of me that constantly doubts and berates me. But I guess I should accept that it's just trying to protect me and I needed it in the past but now I need something else.

Nah it gets the train.

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