Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by LtWorf » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:49 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #19

MarkMarine wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t imagine there is a way to get a refund, but if I could I would. 10k on something they won’t even let me beta test because where I live triggers incorrect forward collision warnings too frequently for my driving to be considered good enough. I was skeptical but paid up front, and I’m pretty sure I got taken

Rome?

Once in rome I saw a car parked, a car crashed into it for some reason, and the driver just left the car in the middle of the road, crashed into another car.

I do have a photo of that somewhere.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by MonkeyMalarky » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:51 PM UTC

zelos wrote: post #10

MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though many cities have them they're sort of glossed over in drivers ed and it clearly shows at times.

Do people really need a lesson to know not to turn just in front of a tram?

Turning in front of them, cutting them off, passing when doors are open and people are getting off, driving in the reserved lanes (sometimes even getting stuck!). Yes, people are idiots around them.

Toronto even has a tunnel for streetcars that's infamous for it: https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/enough-is-enough-ttc-to-ins... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/about-25-cars-have-dr...

Installing a gate didn't even stop one driver: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/queen-quay-streetcar-...

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by aiisjustanif » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:51 PM UTC

ra7 wrote: post #106

Here is another idiot "testing" it out in front a school bus. The car wouldn't stop so he had to intervene: https://youtu.be/zQO6RJCUPEI?t=10 I'm continually surprised how it's still being allowed on public roads. Tesla claims it's not an autonomous system to regulators and refuses to provide any data, while marketing it as imminent Level 5 self driving. It seems like it will take someone to be seriously injured or d…

Why is the guy an idiot?

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by jcundososna » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:51 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #74

In context there are 17k crashes per day in the us. 5800 annually involve a car and a train.

Not sure what this is supposed to tell me. The number of cars driven by humans and vehicles driven on autopilot is different by a huge magnitude, so whats the point of comparing absolute numbers of crashes. At the very least to make a fair comparison we need to use crashes per cars driven in a day by humans and compare that with autonomous vehicles.

The fact that these bugs actually can be fatal, some even random people who have nothing to do with this test should be very concerning at the very least and not bruahed away as but x accidents happen anyway already.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by fortran77 » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:51 PM UTC

This is model 3. You have to expect some compromises on the budget systems.

Do the flagship models (S, Plaid) have better systems?

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by ra7 » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:51 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #96

deng wrote: post #80

Actually, that steering into the oncoming train is just one of several severe instances in that video: * Almost driving right into a barrier because road is closed: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=426 * Choosing the wrong lane and getting confused: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=666 * Trying to run a red light, right into traffic: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=732 * Stopping in the middle of an intersection without r…

I just can’t understand why you’d give up control to a system that’s clearly still in beta. The cost of failure is way too high to take the risk.

Because they're led to believe all this public beta "testing" actually does something to improve the system. So they go out on roads, enable FSD and click the feedback button when it makes a mistake. It's pure theatre as it does nothing to a system fundamentally poor.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by greenthrow » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:51 PM UTC

throwaway5959 wrote: post #27

Why is the US allowing this beta testing of a feature that impacts safety to continue? There have to be at least dozens of documented cases of this being unsafe. Have regulators just given up or are they that incompetent?

Coz Tesla has a lot of money and the government agencies that should be intervening are hobbled due to decades of under funding and being de-fanged by other parts of the government.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by synu » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:52 PM UTC

deng wrote: post #80

Actually, that steering into the oncoming train is just one of several severe instances in that video: * Almost driving right into a barrier because road is closed: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=426 * Choosing the wrong lane and getting confused: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=666 * Trying to run a red light, right into traffic: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=732 * Stopping in the middle of an intersection without r…

That is terrifying! I try to stay away from Teslas I see on the road because they are completely unpredictable. I think I'd prefer being near a poor driver with their attention on the controls to Autopilot with a poor driver not paying attention.

Any test on public roads of a system that performs like this should have a professional team actively, directly monitoring it. Not just any rando who happened to be able to afford a Tesla.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by greenthrow » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:54 PM UTC

petilon wrote: post #77

Meanwhile Cruise just obtained permission to charge passengers for driverless rides in San Francisco [1]. Cruise has been cleared to charge for rides in vehicles that will have no other people in them besides the passengers. There will be no back-up human driver present to take control if something goes wrong. Why is Tesla so far behind? Tesla is generating these autopilot mishap news on such a regular basis that it…

Is Tesla so far behind or are we just not seeing all the dangerous behavior of Cruise-piloted vehicles because they haven't made their software available to the general public?

IMHO none of this software should be getting tested on public roads.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by nabla9 » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 2:54 PM UTC

ncmncm wrote: post #2

??? I thought that was what it was for. Or maybe for making wacky collision vids on YouTube? Tesla just closed their whole self-driving office in San Mateo, and fired ("for poor performance") most of the staff, directing some to come to work across the bay. For now. People still employed on that activity would best update their résumés. People who paid for self-driving already? I would ask for a refund, in your shoes…

> Tesla just closed their whole self-driving office in San Mateo,

They closed office full of hourly workers labeling data, because their automated process can do it with less people.

Those guys are not AI engineers, they are doing menial work.