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Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by seper8 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #345
seper8 wrote: post #82

Hope so. Here in the Netherlands we've fallen hilariously behind. It's illegal to produce weed with the intention to sell, but legal to sell. At the same time it's illegal to have a large inventory. So criminals make large amounts of cash by illegally growing weed. And cops have to waste their time dealing with these guys. Eventually these guys grow up and start with the more profitable stuff such as cocaine & mdma.…

> cops have to waste their time dealing with these guys. Maybe they don't "waste" their time, and instead enjoy job security and an endless supply of easy crimes to solve? I suspect law enforcement is a big reason why drug legalization is hard.

Probably... Also suspect they fear that these guys will move on to different forms of crime to make money instead. Crime that will actually do more damage to society.

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Post by wonderwonder »

skyyler wrote: post #372
wonderwonder wrote: post #324

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Why are you still smoking concentrates? Switch back to flower. Then slowly get flower with lower thc percentages. I have never been addicted to anything so its hard for me to relate so I dont want to cast negativity your way but friend if something is hospitalizing you go see an addiction specialist yesterday. Replace the addiction with something else that makes you feel good, start running or going to the gym. Good…

>Why are you still smoking concentrates? If you read their comment a little closer, you will see that they do not. >I have never been addicted to anything so its hard for me to relate If you have no experience, why are you giving advice?

Because I can? Its an open forum... Sorry if I offended you :)

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Post by maxhille »

hans1729 wrote: post #69
romanovcode wrote: post #50

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> Maybe it will be decriminalized I don't know where you are from Germany but cannabis is pretty much decriminalized in Berlin already for quite some time. People buy/smoke at the streets and police does not mind.

I am. Berlin and Germany are in a special relationship, I'll leave colorful elaborations to others :-)

AFAIK (from Hamburg) Cannabis is decriminalized everywhere except Bavaria.

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Post by lucideer »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #377
lucideer wrote: post #75

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While I'm not proposing "doing nothing" about this problem, how much of this is likely to be a "hangover" from prohibition. Based on absolutely no data whatsoever, my instinct would be that demand for high-THC/low-CBD products would decrease as access to cannabis becomes less novel.

I‘m not proposing laws that forbid high THC products. But there needs to be advertising. People understand that downing a bottle of vodka can mail or kill.

I would absolutely propose laws to regulate THC. One of the big advantages of legalisation is the ability to apply targeted & graduated rules to products.

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Post by sdfhsdfj »

wonderwonder wrote: post #412
skyyler wrote: post #372

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>Why are you still smoking concentrates? If you read their comment a little closer, you will see that they do not. >I have never been addicted to anything so its hard for me to relate If you have no experience, why are you giving advice?

Because I can? Its an open forum... Sorry if I offended you :)

OP here on a different throwaway (because I already killed the session from yesterday). To be honest, I had to step away because of your comment.

It is incredibly frustrating that every single time I've shared the situation in, some jerk chimes in with their preconceptions, often without even reading the information put in front of them.

For instance my last trip to the E.R was the first in a few months. During triage the nurse confirms their existing records that Droperidol is the only medication I'm known to have a negative reaction to -- something that is documented, because multiple times in the same E.R, Droperidol has caused every muscle in my body to go twitchy. My chart indicates the Ativan/Reglan/Pepcid cocktail consistently works. P.A. comes into the room, first thing he asks is why I'm still smoking cannabis. He follows that up with orders for fluids and... Droperidol. Tells me he doesn't want to go the Ativan route because it can be habit forming and I'm already an addict. I spend the next couple hours twitching in addition to puking, until shift change, when the doctor who took over finally hit me with the right set of meds.

And yes, I've been trying to get the mental health assistance I need. Unfortunately it is spectacularly difficult to find help unless you're either rich or destitute.

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Post by wonderwonder »

sdfhsdfj wrote: post #415
wonderwonder wrote: post #412

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Because I can? Its an open forum... Sorry if I offended you :)

OP here on a different throwaway (because I already killed the session from yesterday). To be honest, I had to step away because of your comment. It is incredibly frustrating that every single time I've shared the situation in, some jerk chimes in with their preconceptions, often without even reading the information put in front of them. For instance my last trip to the E.R was the first in a few months. During triag…

Friend if my relatively harmless comment is triggering you to the point you are deleting accounts you should really not be participating in discussion forums on the internet. I hope you remove yourself from situations that upset you and focus on getting well. All the best and I actually really mean this as 1 human to another; I'm sorry you are going through what you are going through and I sincerely hope you get better.

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Post by runeks »

danielbln wrote: post #97
wickedsight wrote: post #40

The Netherlands will be especially impacted by this. We refused actual legalization for many reasons, many of which will be invalidated by Germany decriminalizing. Our current stance on weed is so confusing that it's hard to explain to any foreigner, but strictly speaking weed isn't legal and not even decriminalized... But yes, Amsterdam is in The Netherlands.

Nitpick: Germany is poised to legalize and not just decriminialize, which is an important distinction.

If it’s an important distinction then it’s not a nitpick :-)

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Post by wahnfrieden »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #316
wahnfrieden wrote: post #39

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Anyone can grow weed and that would cut into tobacco profits, a powerful lobby. You don't honestly think legislation is about health

Anybody can grow tobacco too. I do it most years just because of the pretty flowers. Much easier than growing cannabis, actually. The curing process is a bit of work, but for cigarette (as opposed to pipe or cigar) quality tobacco not so hard.

That's great that you as an individual have the knowledge/capability but simple observation shows that doesn't make a difference in practice

Canada: >Growing cannabis (either growing their own or having it grown for them by someone else) was a supply-source for 14.2% of consumers in 2020

I can't find stats on tobacco users who grow their own supply for Canada because I suspect it's vanishingly small next to that 14.2%

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Post by fragmede »

ssfhsfhdjs wrote: post #205
snarfy wrote: post #109

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When I lived in Arizona before it was legal, the vast majority of weed came from Mexico. A quarter pound cost $200 and was a mix of male and female plants, full of seeds, grown in fields. I was a daily user for about 20 years. I moved to coastal state where it was legal. Now it's all hydroponically grown, all female and all seedless. I was a daily user for about 12 years and had to completely stop using it. It would…

I'm struggling with this now. Daily cannabis user for 15 year or so, started puking not long after I'd switched primarily to concentrates. I've landed in the ER several times, and been hospitalized a handful of times for dehydration. Usually once an episode starts, a cocktail of ativan, reglan, and pepcid is about the only thing that'll get me out of it. I've tried to quit cannabis several times now, but usually brea…

Do hot showers make you feel better? Might be CHS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_synd...

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Post by lm28469 »

adamsmith143 wrote: post #266
lm28469 wrote: post #258

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> I'm sure your average pot head tourist is not that much trouble and leaves quite a bit of money, no? aha, they literally only come for weed and prostitutes, let's say it doesn't attract the most well behaved people in the world. Imagine the typical German or English 20 something years old tourist in Mallorca but instead of being drunk they're stoned. Low travel cost + mass tourism + young adults + drugs = problems.…

>Imagine the typical German or English 20 something years old tourist in Mallorca but instead of being drunk they're stoned. So they're sitting in cafes eating fried food? What exactly do you think stoned people do lol

Be loud at all time of the day/night, litter, piss on walls/cars, etc.

> What exactly do you think stoned people do lol

There are many subsets of stoners, just like a guy drinking half a bottle of red wine at every dinner isn't the same type of alcoholic as the guy emptying a vodka bottle everyday by noon.

I used many drugs, with many people, some people are just trash, sober or drugged, drugs don't transform them into well behaved and civilised people

> What exactly do you think stoned people do lol

What kind of people travel hundreds of kilometers for a joint sand some titties behind a window ? ...

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