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Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by Kerbonut »

int_19h wrote: post #364
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #356

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Did the DEA create the schedules? Or did the Congress? I thought it was a latter.

Congress created them originally, but they gave DEA very wide authority to change them. (This is also why federal drug legalization could, in theory, be achieved through executive order, if Dems had the spine for that.)

Thanks didn’t know it was actually congress. Makes more sense to me now. But does congress even have authority to regulate that? Does it fall under unenumerated rights that fall to the people? I guess I remember hearing they regulate it under interstate commerce?

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Post by skyyler »

wonderwonder wrote: post #324
ssfhsfhdjs wrote: post #205

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I'm struggling with this now. Daily cannabis user for 15 year or so, started puking not long after I'd switched primarily to concentrates. I've landed in the ER several times, and been hospitalized a handful of times for dehydration. Usually once an episode starts, a cocktail of ativan, reglan, and pepcid is about the only thing that'll get me out of it. I've tried to quit cannabis several times now, but usually brea…

Why are you still smoking concentrates? Switch back to flower. Then slowly get flower with lower thc percentages. I have never been addicted to anything so its hard for me to relate so I dont want to cast negativity your way but friend if something is hospitalizing you go see an addiction specialist yesterday. Replace the addiction with something else that makes you feel good, start running or going to the gym. Good…

>Why are you still smoking concentrates?

If you read their comment a little closer, you will see that they do not.

>I have never been addicted to anything so its hard for me to relate

If you have no experience, why are you giving advice?

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Post by the_only_law »

saiya-jin wrote: post #195
snarfy wrote: post #109

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When I lived in Arizona before it was legal, the vast majority of weed came from Mexico. A quarter pound cost $200 and was a mix of male and female plants, full of seeds, grown in fields. I was a daily user for about 20 years. I moved to coastal state where it was legal. Now it's all hydroponically grown, all female and all seedless. I was a daily user for about 12 years and had to completely stop using it. It would…

Maybe I am off, but when drawing from my 25 years of consumption and trying most of variants - outdoor, indoor, low potency, extreme dutch ones and everything in between, local hash in morocco, india and nepal, homemade milk, cookies, vaping and oil vaping; eating and oil vaping are most potent to me, joint least potent and I avoid them if possible. I don't like eating due to very long ramp up and it last for too lon…

> But that would be the problem with hard alcohol too, there its more like 30 mins and we all have seen enough shitfaced folks in our lives who took too many shots too fast.

Yeah, but at least their body will jolt them into stopping. The absolute worst vommiting I had in my life was thanks to alcohol. Often after a night of getting wasted I don't want to touch alcohol again for a while.

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Post by withinboredom »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #355
withinboredom wrote: post #346

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> the law automatically can be invalidated by a court. There are three parts to the law: 1. The legislature must draft the law 2. The executives must enforce the law. 3. The judicial must punish for breaking the law. If (2) never happens, then it never gets to (3). And courts can "invalidate" a law: jury nullification.

> courts can "invalidate" a law: jury nullification This doesn’t invalidate the law. It decides one case in a particular way. An invalidated law is unenforceable for everyone.

If someone were willing to fund a campaign telling people why they should nullify a certain law, and the people agreed, eventually they’ll just stop prosecuting it because it won’t stick.

Technically, there’s nothing illegal about a judge telling the jury about nullification either.

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Post by selfmodruntime »

tsol wrote: post #241
ssfhsfhdjs wrote: post #205

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I'm struggling with this now. Daily cannabis user for 15 year or so, started puking not long after I'd switched primarily to concentrates. I've landed in the ER several times, and been hospitalized a handful of times for dehydration. Usually once an episode starts, a cocktail of ativan, reglan, and pepcid is about the only thing that'll get me out of it. I've tried to quit cannabis several times now, but usually brea…

I've found concentrates way too strong for me. I've had conversations with friends where we both say we miss the cheap weak stuff. I've actually moved to microdosing concentrates. Using a tiny amount, no more than the head of a toothpick, gives me more control over how strong it is. The other thing you can do is switch to concentrates. This also makes it easier to quit because you know how much you're taking in so yo…

I agree. The cheap weak stuff needs to come back.

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Post by selfmodruntime »

peanut_worm wrote: post #256
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

You can still find lower THC cannabis at any dispensary. Most carry from 10 to 30%. Most also carry CBD flower and very low dose edibles. I also don’t understand this argument because you can just take 1 hit and be done. No one is forcing you to finish a whole joint. Should liquor be outlawed because it is stronger than beer?

No, I disagree immensely and I will explain why. I want 2-5% of THC. A joint should be like drinking a single beer to be perfect in my opinion. If you sit down to relax in the evening you don‘t drown a single shot. The joy is in the process and to feel a light buzz

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Post by selfmodruntime »

lucideer wrote: post #75
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

While I'm not proposing "doing nothing" about this problem, how much of this is likely to be a "hangover" from prohibition. Based on absolutely no data whatsoever, my instinct would be that demand for high-THC/low-CBD products would decrease as access to cannabis becomes less novel.

I‘m not proposing laws that forbid high THC products. But there needs to be advertising. People understand that downing a bottle of vodka can mail or kill.

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Post by selfmodruntime »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #87
wahnfrieden wrote: post #37

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You strongly agree that they should regulate weed to be weaker so that you don't have to check potency before purchase? ok

I didn't get that from the GP comment. IIUC, they're just saying that they prefer less potency, but have trouble finding it in the current market. That doesn't necessarily mean they want only weaker weed to be sold.

Exactly!

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Post by selfmodruntime »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #92
CoastalCoder wrote: post #87

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I didn't get that from the GP comment. IIUC, they're just saying that they prefer less potency, but have trouble finding it in the current market. That doesn't necessarily mean they want only weaker weed to be sold.

excuse me for interpreting "I just wish that we would take measures" as promoting regulation edit to reply to below: California already has accurate labeling and is being called out as a problem

The original comment was from me. Measures include warnings and advertisements. They also include offering low dosage alternatives
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