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#191

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The US certainly believes in might makes right too.

While the US has its share of might-makes-right neofascists, like any country today, this is definitely not the guiding philosophy behind US foreign policy. The neocons who launched those pointless wars in the Middle East thought they were nation building—helping the populous get rid of petty tyrants and build democratic governments. The policy wanks behind the Vietnam and Korean wars thought they were saving the wor…

Nope. Oil and macro politics.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#192

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While the US has its share of might-makes-right neofascists, like any country today, this is definitely not the guiding philosophy behind US foreign policy. The neocons who launched those pointless wars in the Middle East thought they were nation building—helping the populous get rid of petty tyrants and build democratic governments. The policy wanks behind the Vietnam and Korean wars thought they were saving the wor…

Nope. Oil and macro politics.

We're not talking about the behind-the-scenes puppeteering that may or may not have contrived global conflicts. We're talking about the ethos and philosophy of the nation, and what the soldiers on the ground believed they were doing.

Read up on what the German army did in Belgium in WW1, or occupied France & Eastern Europe in WW2. What Japan did in China. What King Leopold did in the Congo, or what the Russian army is currently doing in Ukraine.

There were atrocities committed by the US in the Middle East, yes, but nowhere near the level of barbarism in the conflicts mentioned above, and typically not conducted as a matter of official policy.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#193

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This is low effort, and misguided. They are specifically not instances of might makes right. Perhaps you have been reading some Kremlin troll factory created and amplified content, that could take root in an already suspicious ground.

Please don’t do a whataboutism. This is about America and the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, not Russia.

Uh, this subthread started with my comment about Russia and Germany. Bringing up America was whataboutism...

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#194
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> In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". I've occasionally wondered, is that not reality for all of us? Even us living in democratic nations? Is democracy at its core not a "might" (through a greater cardinality) makes right of sorts?

Democracy is the enemy of the might makes right. Might makes right selects the stronger clan, and selects its strongest leader: that is, the one who follows this doctrine the most brutally and successfully. Because if you don´t, someone else will be more ruthless. So in a democracy we protect minority interests and curb the powers of commercial entities. And we have the Trias Politica. You might wonder if we do enoug…

Democracy is also two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Remember that Hitler was democratically elected and the head of a coalition government, before taking indefinite emergency powers.

Protecting rights is more a consequence of the rule of law, and equality under the law.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#195
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post #67

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Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

Watch you don’t apply this reasoning to your own house.

Arguably, we should. Henry George claimed that a more just society could be achieved with a near-100% land-value tax. If your house sat on valuable land, you would very quickly get pushed out by being unable to pay the land-value tax. Georgists (of which I am one) believe this results in a society that is better overall than the one we live in today.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#196

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This is low effort, and misguided. They are specifically not instances of might makes right. Perhaps you have been reading some Kremlin troll factory created and amplified content, that could take root in an already suspicious ground.

Please don’t do a whataboutism. This is about America and the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, not Russia.

*Iraq*

The Gulf War[b] was an armed campaign waged by a United States-led coalition of 35 countries against Iraq in response to the Iraqi invasion and annexation of Kuwait.

«The Iraqi military invaded the neighbouring State of Kuwait on 2 August 1990 and fully occupied the country within two days. Different speculations have been made regarding the true intents behind the invasion, including Iraq's inability to pay Kuwait the more than US$14 billion that it had borrowed to finance its military efforts during the Iran–Iraq War, and Kuwait's surge in petroleum production levels which kept revenues down for Iraq.[28] Throughout much of the 1980s, Kuwait's oil production was above its mandatory OPEC quota, which kept international oil prices down.[29] Iraq interpreted Kuwait's refusal to decrease its oil production as an act of aggression towards the Iraqi economy.[30] The invasion of Kuwait was met with international condemnation, and economic sanctions against Iraq were immediately imposed by the United Nations Security Council in response.»

So it was Saddam Hussein who invaded his neighboring country. Also note that the affected countries asked the UN to set things straight here. The US did, in concert with 34 other countries.

With Saddam still in power after that, there was an agreement that Iraq should destroy its stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. In the build up of the war, Iraq did not comply:

«The inspections were carried out by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM). UNSCOM, in cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency, worked to ensure that Iraq destroyed its chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons and facilities.[85] In the decade following the Gulf War, the United Nations passed 16 Security Council resolutions calling for the complete elimination of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Member states communicated their frustration over the years that Iraq was impeding the work of the special commission and failing to take seriously its disarmament obligations. Iraqi officials harassed the inspectors and obstructed their work,[85] and in August 1998 the Iraqi government suspended cooperation with the inspectors completely, alleging that the inspectors were spying for the US.[86] The spying allegations were later substantiated.[87]»

Bush decided to get rid of him on the basis of false suspicions (weapons of mass destruction and involvement with 9/11):

«The United States based its rationale for the invasion on claims that Iraq had a weapons of mass destruction (WMD) program[68] and posed a threat to the United States and its allies.[69][70] Additionally, some US officials falsely accused Saddam of harbouring and supporting al-Qaeda.[71] In 2004, the 9/11 Commission concluded there was no evidence of any relationship between Saddam's regime and al-Qaeda.[72] No stockpiles of WMDs or active WMD program were ever found in Iraq.[73] Bush administration officials made numerous claims about a purported Saddam–al-Qaeda relationship and WMDs that were based on sketchy evidence rejected by intelligence officials.[73][74] The rationale for war faced heavy criticism both domestically and internationally.[75] Kofi Annan, then the Secretary-General of the United Nations, called the invasion illegal under international law, as it violated the UN Charter.[76] The 2016 Chilcot Report, a British inquiry into the United Kingdom's decision to go to war, concluded that not every peaceful alternative had been examined, that the UK and US had undermined the United Nations Security Council in the process of declaring war, that the process of identification for a legal basis of war was "far from satisfactory", and that, taken together, the war was unnecessary.[77][78][79] When interrogated by the FBI, Saddam Hussein confirmed that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction prior to the US invasion.[80]»

Like I said somewhere else, the war on terror was a horrible brain-dead response from Bush. It really has tainted the image of the US, and the misjudgement here has traumatized the US so much that the average Joe wants no foreign policy anymore and hide under his blanket. However, the background of the war has nothing to do with the theories you will find on twitter. The US made the wrong call here, it was not a selfish move to make a profit from as you will find in "might makes right".

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*Afghanistan*

Bin Laden was leader of the Taliban, which was de facto the government of Afghanistan. By attacking the US on 9/11 the Taliban made an enormous risky move as they opened war with the US. Still, the response of the US was reasonable: extradite Bin Laden. Afghanistan did not comply. You can rightly question whether the US response was smart here. But you cannot deny that the Taliban opened the conflict with the act of war on the US.

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*Syria*

Are you serious? It's dictator kills the people for asking democracy. Remember the Arab Spring? Young people in the middle east were fed up with severe (religious) oppression, no social mobility and the rule of dictators, they asked for democracy. Putin quickly came to the rescue of said dictators to make sure democracy would not win. You rather should accuse the US for not taking responsibility, the red line of Obama turned out to be not so red. Here the US has shown to be too tired of war and too confused to fulfill its role. I recommend to read the article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#197
post #185

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> The founders recognized first the right of association and speech, and second the right to personal autonomy; to bear arms and kill those who would subjugate or kill you. Before they recognized either, they recognized the ownership of human beings as property and specially allocated those human properties as fractional humans.

Appeal to emotion, therefore your point is invalid... Didn't expect to read something this vapid on HN. You may as well have said they owned slaves and therefore their ideas are forever wrong. I would suggest you actually read about the strategy behind the 3/5ths clause; everyone that invokes that as invective merely signals his/her ignorance of that context.

I think you may have been quick to invalidate the point you thought I was making?

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#198
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In Germany Nissan Motors would have got the domain. According to german law "A private person with that name had priority over someone not called that. A company of that name, or a company with a registered trademark has precedence over a person of that name. A city or municipality has the highest precedence"

It's easy to forget that the com in .com is a shortening 'commercial' - i.e. a commercial enterprise. In Australia, (until relatively recently I think), a .com.au domain was restricted to registered businesses. For individuals, there is (was?) an id.au domain.

If I remember correctly, Uzi Nissan was a consultant practicing under his own name and Nissan.com was registered as a commercial site for his business.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#199
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Because domains pointing to where you'd expect just makes the internet a better place. It reduces dependency on search engines, makes the internet simpler to use, and ideally you could be confident that nissan.com isn't some Joe Blow but a trusted company. What benefit does "first come first serve" provide? Nothing other than allowing individuals to hijack widespread brands.

Sir, I'd like to introduce you to the concept of property rights. God, I'm glad I don't live in a hell hole where someone who is trying to make the world a better place can just trample over me.

Thankfully we’re not in a dystopia where some SEO and ad buys would result in changing opinion enough to transfer domain names and other property.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#200
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He wasn't as innocent as portrayed. The problem was he ran car related ads on his site: https://web.archive.org/web/19991122224115/http://nissan.com... If you look at his site, when it was a computer shop, fine. Then he started running ads (really trying to profit off nissan motor's brand) related to cars. Then he got taken to court. He played off like a victim forever. Did he have a legitimate reason to buy the doma…

What's wrong with running cars ads on his own websites? Unless he misled his visitors into thinking his site is official nissan motors website, I don't see anything wrong with running some ads on it.

Because Nissan is a car brand with trademarks.

If you owned apple.com and sold apples, all good. If you ran ads for computers and phones, it's a problem and infringing their mark.

Trademarks are supposed to protect a brand in the category they operate in. Using their name and profiting off ads for the same category is cybersquatting. He operated in a somewhat gray area trying to run a computer repair shop with ads and got forced to stop. There is a reasonable argument that running car ads on nissan.com, one of the largest known car brands could cause brand confusion.

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