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Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by all2 »

InefficientRed wrote: post #122
all2 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"God made man. Samuel Colt made them equal." There is codified in the Constitution of the United States recognition that some will always seek to subjugate others. And an enshrined recognition that this is morally wrong is the Second Amendment: the right to bear arms. Many of the founding fathers of the United States made statements to the affect that a well armed citizenry was the only method by which true tyranny c…

I can't tell if this is unhinged xenophobia or satire. In case of the former: the crusades, any of the millions of athiest or non-christian pacifists, and... I can't believe this needs stating, but shooting someone in the face with an assault rifle is an exercise of "might".

And shooting someone who is trying to kill you or your family is an exercise in individual sovereignty.

The point is self defense in the face of people who would dominate you, tell you to do things you don't want to do or know are not morally right.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by capableweb »

zagrebian wrote: post #150
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

What makes you think that any other carmaker would have behaved differently?

We justify our actions based on what we've seen others do, not what we believe they would do. That's at least why I wouldn't buy a Nissan, but I'll still buy a different car brand. Until/if that car brand does something equally stupid, then I'll stop buying their cars too.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by all2 »

boston_clone wrote: post #126
InefficientRed wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if this is unhinged xenophobia or satire. In case of the former: the crusades, any of the millions of athiest or non-christian pacifists, and... I can't believe this needs stating, but shooting someone in the face with an assault rifle is an exercise of "might".

Considering their history of using Gab, you can safely assume the former. Their complete misunderstanding of the history of both this country's founding and Christianity really help cement that assumption as accurate, though. It's unfortunate to see that the US education system has regressed so poorly.

This is ad hominem.

Ignoring that, I'd like to know exactly what I misunderstand about my country's founding and what I misunderstand about Christianity?

If my understanding is inaccurate, I welcome correction.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by ohashi »

mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

He wasn't as innocent as portrayed. The problem was he ran car related ads on his site: https://web.archive.org/web/19991122224115/http://nissan.com...

If you look at his site, when it was a computer shop, fine. Then he started running ads (really trying to profit off nissan motor's brand) related to cars. Then he got taken to court. He played off like a victim forever.

Did he have a legitimate reason to buy the domain originally? Absolutely.

Did he infringe on Nissan's trademark? Almost surely, which is why he was forced to stop.

No real good guy in this story.

What's my background on this? I helped build the most comprehensive database for domain name legal cases (https://udrp.tools) and tend to be involved in areas regarding domain name registrant rights. IP lobby is already way too strong, picking something like Nissan.com as the rallying call really isn't the right move. There is going to be some balance.

If you want egregious, lookup france.com

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/supreme-court-wont-...

The french government intervened in a case and took france.com from the owner claiming sole right to using 'France'

That is bullshit. ICANN is also trying to take away domain name holder's rights to even go to court at all, in case it's an IGO (https://freespeech.com/2022/05/18/icann-igo-working-group-ch...). IGO thinks your domain infringes on your rights? You have zero recourse, and they want to grant immunity from the legal system.

There are some real fucking injustices happening in the domain world that nobody is paying attention too. Nissan.com isn't one of them.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by exceptione »

ncmncm wrote: post #138
exceptione wrote: post #113

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I don´t agree with your wording. You sound like that especially in a democracy the minorities get crushed. But its the democracies that build upon the core idea of alienable human rights, that gives you voting power but also guarantees as an individual. It is no wonder that you will find such constitutions in democracies. Thats why I said trias politica. I encourage you to think critically and at the same time ask yo…

The notion of inalienable human rights is, specifically, opposed to democracy. Democracy needs to be subordinated to that more fundamental principle. They are often associated only because places where democracy is strong also tend to acknowledge human rights, at least in the abstract. (Obviously autocrats will not acknowledge it.) But it was, and is, often not so. Ask any Jim Crow victim. Or widow of a police violen…

I think your outrage over specific transgressions got the better of you, turning you to black-white thinking. It's a fallacy.

If someones right got trampled, that is something to take to the court. The law is there to protect the single man or minority from 'the terror of the majority'.

That's why we mean with democracy not just the ability to vote, but also the rule of law . We also mean the trias politica: law making powers, executive power, and judiciary power al separated.

No one said that in a democracy everything will be perfect. It requires work. It at least gives you the tools to improve it. It is a living system.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by Macha »

toolz wrote: post #67
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

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> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

As someone who owns myname.com for 15 years but also shares their name with a minor celebrity who emerged in the last 10, I'm pretty happy that domain names aren't taken away based on someone more well known occuring with the same name.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by neurostimulant »

ohashi wrote: post #155
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

He wasn't as innocent as portrayed. The problem was he ran car related ads on his site: https://web.archive.org/web/19991122224115/http://nissan.com... If you look at his site, when it was a computer shop, fine. Then he started running ads (really trying to profit off nissan motor's brand) related to cars. Then he got taken to court. He played off like a victim forever. Did he have a legitimate reason to buy the doma…

What's wrong with running cars ads on his own websites? Unless he misled his visitors into thinking his site is official nissan motors website, I don't see anything wrong with running some ads on it.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by exceptione »

user_named wrote: post #149
exceptione wrote: post #141

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I don´t think so, even more so in absence of any evidence. And I am not from the US. The US had the biggest power the past decades and have used it to uphold a rule based world order. Be careful what you wish for. Make no mistake, I have lots of critical things to say about the US. The war on terror was a stupid reaction on the rise of terrorism and extremism, for example. But the US has in general been a real good f…

No. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria.

This is low effort, and misguided. They are specifically not instances of might makes right. Perhaps you have been reading some Kremlin troll factory created and amplified content, that could take root in an already suspicious ground.
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