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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by imtringued »

melenaboija wrote: post #97
dazzawazza wrote: post #3

Big Clive has a good video on why this is dangerous and how to make it more safe. Note: not safe safe, just more safe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBeSKL9zVro

It is interesting to see that also exist channels that monetize how to make these experiments less likely to kill you using a 15 minutes video explaining some physics and one diagram. More legit than the ones that kill you faster but still part of the same game, specially seeing the title “The most deadly project of the internet”

It is a sin to tell people about dangers and a virtue to be quiet about them.

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Post by robonerd »

hedora wrote: post #420
tehwebguy wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube has their own policy of taking down content they call “harmful & dangerous,” this person is complaining that they are enforcing it incorrectly by taking down her video talking about the dangers and not taking down or age gating the videos of people showing how to do it. > I demand the freedom to suffer the consequences of my own actions. You will absolutely suffer the consequences of whatever actions you take…

"harmful & dangerous" to whom?

People.

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Post by t_mann »

robonerd wrote: post #470
t_mann wrote: post #459

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Tom Cruise is a really bad example, because he actually does have a pilot license since 1994 and is allowed to fly some jets. [0] I'm not looking for advice on how to make a good movie (or how to fly a plane, for that matter), but on some perspective how (un)-realistic those movies are. I think overall that sort of scrutiny does some good in terms of making movies less unrealistic (compare 80's action movies like Ram…

I've seen a few videos recommended to me that are psychologist/therapist reacts . I'm pretty sure psychology and therapy without ever meeting and talking to the subject is generally considered unethical quackery.

Psychology/therapy may be a bit of an outlier in that sense, we wouldn't expect a nuclear engineer to have physically inspected a failed reactor before talking about accidents. And even they may have relevant things to say, psychology/therapy isn't only about individual diagnosis.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by robonerd »

mrtksn wrote: post #90
framapotari wrote: post #74

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> For example, if someone is posting about something harmful the videos should remain and the person who does that should face the consequences. Ok, so now a video is up and people are tricked by it and injure themselves in the process. Some people die. Is that an acceptable cost? Does your solution make any considerations for ongoing harm?

Sue the person who uploaded the video, as it happens with all the malicious activities with the real world. Sure, we can have tools to reduce risk - maybe there can be a warning under the video that the contents are disputed and some people claimed harm. If those people are lying the video uploader can sue them. Just because some people don't know how to behave and have delusions that nothing is real on the internet,…

> Sue the person who uploaded the video, as it happens with all the malicious activities with the real world.

A corpse is discovered in a garage with charred stumps where the hands should be. Investigators look through that person's browser history and find they watched a few hundred wood burning videos. What now, hundreds of lawsuits? Who would pay for that?

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Post by hef19898 »

imtringued wrote: post #498
hef19898 wrote: post #413

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Because promoting baf safety habbits around potentially dangerous stuff to clueless people is a bad idea?

Are you really saying that telling clueless people that they will get painful shocks encourages bad safety habits? If you show a kid a video about someone intentionally putting e.g. a fake hand on a stove and it getting severe burns and faked screams, what's the likelihood of a child following the video to get the same sick burns vs a video showing that it is perfectly safe to touch the stove?

A video showing work, while ignoring safety pratices, promotes bad safety practices. People that know to work save will still do, people wothout a clue will start DIY projects ignoring safety. And get hurt. I consider this to be a bad thing.

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Post by cwkoss »

1-more wrote: post #497
elif wrote: post #2

It's terrible how little basic electronic safety is practiced in virtually all of these videos. When we handled high amps in university, we had 3 hours of lecture first simply explaining safety precautions and how to handle accidents. Not to mention, the burnt wood looks so gaudy and uninteresting. I would hardly call it fractal as it only goes 2-3 levels usually, and artistically doesn't usually make sense on furnit…

> Not to mention, the burnt wood looks so gaudy and uninteresting. I would hardly call it fractal as it only goes 2-3 levels usually, and artistically doesn't usually make sense on furniture etc. There's some point I could make about how this is the worst art anyone has ever died for in history, but we'd end up in the weeds.

I'd be interested in trekking through those weeds.

Anyone have a contender for worse deadly art?

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Post by cush »

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

Certainly there must be some kind of liability here. One could never air these kinds of instructional videos on TV.

As the defacto online video experience, YouTube has both become the FCC and NBC - both the governing body and the distributor, yet they take none of the risk and assume no liability of either.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

rozab wrote: post #83
pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

Ann Reardon, the subject of this article, is a good scientist who's been debunking these 'food hack' videos for years. She eventually branched out into debunking other things like this. I've always been impressed with her tenacity in challenging this sort of thing while also managing to educate and entertain. It must be soul destroying trying to fight this endless tide of misinformation, which is constantly boosted b…

Glad to see this comment. I'm a huge Ann Reardon fan, and her original video that got her into this "debunking" theme is still great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6abePkXncCM

Still, it's a little depressing that someone who made great, inspiring, detailed and actually feasible cooking/baking content found that they couldn't really pay the bills with that content, but instead it turned out that debunking all the BS on YouTube was a better way to actually get paid.

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Post by cupofpython »

toss1 wrote: post #425
cupofpython wrote: post #302

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the learning experience is that the toaster they were familiar with is gone because of what they did. very simple. I guess I am the only one here that doesnt want to fuck with toaster repair. they arent worth it. they can cause fires and give electrical shocks. honestly, the last thing i want my kid to think in that situation is that it is okay for them to put their hands in the toaster. Which they might do if they s…

>> can cause fires and give electrical shocks. which is why you unplug it before working on it and make a BIG point to the kid of both hazards, and how essential it is to remove power before working on something, AND to do test runs in a safer area like outside, etc. >>the last thing i want my kid to think in that situation is that it is okay for them to put their hands in the toaster I'd say that you don't want them…

If you are confident enough in your ability to convey the entire full safety message to your kid and take full responsibility for anything they do as a result of that information, then go for it. I'm just saying for $20 it isnt really worth it. I dont want my kid fucking with electronics outside the designated use-cases it was built for, period. Cheese in the toaster? item needs to be cleared by a professional again. I dont care if I feel personally competent enough to clear it myself. I have very easy and safe alternatives.

Odds are the toaster company doesnt want you mess with it either. This isnt the old days where you can just use some elbow grease and fix everything on your property. Liabilities need to be managed. Electrical items need certifications. Doing it yourself takes hours. It's just a lot of things that are unnecessary to deal with over a toaster.

If I am going to teach my kid anything about fixing electrical items it's that if it isnt working then he (or she) should unplug them and then he shouldnt touch them until certified to do so. It'll encourage them to look at the bigger picture of the problem.

Sure, as an adult we can see through red tape and feel cool about it and want to teach the same to our kid.. but it's really not worth it. Kids that are smart enough to learn the will likely experiment with new things they learn. Just because they safely unplug the item before working on it doesnt mean it's safe to plug back in afterwards.

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